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Post by craiglamson on Sept 4, 2006 12:25:45 GMT -4
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Post by dwight on Sept 4, 2006 12:48:03 GMT -4
Does that mean the pinstripe on my car is keeping the thing together?
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Post by gwiz on Sept 4, 2006 12:52:20 GMT -4
Think the "double shadow" is due to part of the window frame being lit by a reflection from the window itself. Don't see that his "specular reflections" prove anything other than the presence of wrinkles in the tape. The tape itself is for thermal control of the re-entry heatshield. This is the same "looks flimsy" argument that the HBs use about the LM and only proves that they haven't put any thought into whether the vehicle needs an aerodynamic surface or not. The tape is under the boost protective cover at launch and, having done its job, burns off during re-entry. Edit to add: The tape is described in this reference: ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740007423_1974007423.pdf |
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Post by brotherofthemoon on Sept 4, 2006 15:49:21 GMT -4
So let me get this straight.... The HBs want us to believe that the LM was made from scotch tape, so it couldn't land on the Moon. Now they're telling me the CM was made from scotch tape, but managed to make it to Earth orbit.  Oh, and there's no way that's a closeup form the smaller photo. The closeup looks like it was taken during the spacecraft checkout. |
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Post by lionking on Sept 4, 2006 16:01:46 GMT -4
OT I know this is off-topic, but you can hopefully answer this along, since it is the Jack White studies. How do you answer his first claim here www.aulis.com/jackstudies_1a.html (jump salute, in a clear photo, doesn't show the cloud of dust shown in video) Many thanks |
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Post by dwight on Sept 4, 2006 16:35:03 GMT -4
I do believe I can make out a loss in resolution of the background right where the dust is on the high resolution scans over at www.apolloarchive.com although not having a before and after shot to work with, makes it difficult. Turns out Jack White happily includes frames of the video which _do Not_ coincide with the photo record. In both cases the dust has for the most part settled enough by the time John Young reaches the top of his jump, and when Charlie Duke takes the shot. However, a small amount of dust is still settling and thus the blurred part of the photo. Can someone else with the A16 DVD confirm my eyes for me please. A screen shot may take a while as I'll need to ask Mark for permission first. edited to add observations from DVD set which I had not watched on first writing[ |
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Post by MarkS on Sept 4, 2006 19:06:55 GMT -4
Well, he's quite right. The Sun is directly lighting the command module, and the earth and moon are indirectly lighting it through reflection of sunlight.
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Post by frenat on Sept 4, 2006 20:18:19 GMT -4
Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks to me like the area marked "B" is the natural color, the lighter area next to it is lit up by a reflection from "C" and the area marked A is the only one in shadow.
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reynoldbot
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Post by reynoldbot on Sept 5, 2006 2:47:46 GMT -4
Dwight you are correct about the salute photos. I believe Evan Burton posted a reply to that argument in which he circles in red the very dust cloud that White says does not exist in the photo.
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Post by gwiz on Sept 5, 2006 3:04:28 GMT -4
His new "no tape" photo is much less sharply focused and with the sunlight coming from a different direction, hardly surprising you can't see the tape.
Edit to add: On further consideration, I think the "no tape" photo is moonlit rather than sunlit, so a much more extended light source. If you look really hard at it, you can still see some of the tape detail, for example just beyond the lower side and lower left corner of the window.
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Post by AstroSmurf on Sept 5, 2006 4:02:24 GMT -4
Is it just me, or did he include a picture of the Boost Protective Cover as a view "without the tape"?
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Post by gwiz on Sept 5, 2006 4:05:23 GMT -4
Is it just me, or did he include a picture of the Boost Protective Cover as a view "without the tape"? 'Fraid it's just you. |
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Post by Count Zero on Sept 5, 2006 4:51:28 GMT -4
When he compares AS17-145-22272 to AS17-148-22756, the latter was taken during LM checkout (prior to landing), with space reflecting off the CM's mirrored finish, whereas the former was taken 3-4 days later, during docking after lunar liftoff (edited to add: Jack says they were taken at about the same time). In this case, the bright lunar surface is reflecting off the CM. You'd think that someone who casually tosses out the term "specular reflection" might understand that a mirror will look different depending on what it is reflecting. Btw, AS17-145-22272 was taken more than 5 times further away than AS17-148-22756, which accounts for the lower resolution. Edited to add:  AS17-145-22272  AS17-148-22756 |
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Post by AstroSmurf on Sept 5, 2006 4:54:49 GMT -4
Oh. Serves me right for not viewing the uncropped photo - the even colour of the reflected lunar surface seemed about the same shade as the BPC might have.
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Post by lionking on Sept 5, 2006 5:58:01 GMT -4
reynold
can you please direct me to where he circled the cloud, as I will need to watch the video to see when did the photographer click on the camera to figure out if the dust rested or not.
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