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Post by LunarOrbit on Dec 15, 2006 1:02:53 GMT -4
NASA has working rockets that have a proven track record, Canada does not. NASA has over 40 years of manned spaceflight experience, Canada does not. NASA has existing spaceports, Canada does not. NASA has a multi-billion dollar budget larger than Canada's entire military budget. We (Canadians) are capable of many great things... but building an entire space program from scratch that surpasses NASA in under 3 years is not realistic. Even the Canadian Arrow people would laugh at Moon Man's delusions of grandeur. They're currently aiming for a sub-orbital flight (something NASA hasn't done for 45 years... not because it's hard but because it's basically pointless). They're a long way from ever going to the moon and haven't even said that's their ultimate goal. Another giant leap backwards for the Canadian space program: Ottawa won't back Canadian-built Mars rover
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Post by james on Dec 15, 2006 4:45:27 GMT -4
Oh wow, I've never heard about this. It's horribly depressing to see things like this happen and it seems to happen every so often (The Avro Arrow being a prime example). Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be somewhat profitable if we started making robots for other Countries or space agencies that wanted us to make them? Either way, sometimes I just want to smack collective Government upside the head for being dumb and short sighted.
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Post by sts60 on Dec 15, 2006 10:00:17 GMT -4
First sub-orbital flight is set for 2008.Without bothering to look up what you're raving about, I can point out the following: - it's a test flight; - it's scheduled for 2008. I'll bet $10, in the blind, that the launch will slip 6 months or more from whatever month is currently posted. - it's a suborbital system. Getting into orbit (and back) is an enormously different proposition. Getting to the Moon (and back) is (literally) worlds different. We not only built the arms but also the camera system to scan the entire shuttle. We did that in 3 years after Columbia failure.As I've said before, I've actually worked with Canadian engineers on aerospace projects. They're quite competent. And they would laugh at your claims. NASA couldn't even get the tiles to stay glued on in 3 years.Wrong. Neither Challenger nor Columbia had anything to do with tile loss. As long as we get there before you we'll own it.Forbidden by international law, and has been since long before Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon. "We came in peace for all mankind." I repeat: don't you ever get embarrassed by spouting nonsense about subjects of which you have no understanding whatsoever? LO: NASA has working rockets that have a proven track record, Canada does not.Au contraire (that's for the Quebecois). Canada has the reliable Black Brant sounding rocket, in service lo these many years. But AFAIK Canada has no orbital launch capability, nor is any Canadian entity currently planning one. Certainly not any homegrown lunar exploration program.
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Post by colinr on Dec 15, 2006 10:34:09 GMT -4
Base on the evidene presented thus far - clearly NO!
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Post by twinstead on Dec 15, 2006 10:38:54 GMT -4
It is excruciatingly obvious that indeed he does not
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Post by LunarOrbit on Dec 15, 2006 11:29:53 GMT -4
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be somewhat profitable if we started making robots for other Countries or space agencies that wanted us to make them? Either way, sometimes I just want to smack collective Government upside the head for being dumb and short sighted. It makes no sense to me at all. It would no only be profitable, it would prevent another "brain drain" like the one after the Avro Arrow was scrapped. Like you said, politicians are short sighted. If something doesn't have immediate benefits they don't see the point in investing in it.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 15, 2006 15:33:02 GMT -4
NASA success is due to Canada. After the Arrow was cancelled all of our whiz kid rocketeers went to Houston.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 15, 2006 15:36:35 GMT -4
Dude, like for reals. Like, Canadia is l33t or something. Canada is teh hax0rz. NASA is teh ghey. Nobody thinks that Canada is a world leader. Canada is like VH1. A pale doppleganger if you will. I'm sure a space agency with no actual space flights will surpass a much bigger agency with 40 years of space experience no sweat. A Moon Man can dream can't he? Come on, we're number one at everything. 2005-06 NHL MVP - a Canadian 2005/06 NBA MVP - a Canadian. 2004/05 MVP - a Canadian 2006 American League MLB MVP - a Canadian The new merger between the Bank of NY and Mellon is being run by a Canadian - 8 trillion $ under management Home Depot is expanding to China and being headed by a Canadian We clean up in music awards, too. We were into rock before Chuck Berry even picked up a guitar.
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Post by sts60 on Dec 15, 2006 15:45:08 GMT -4
Troll.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 15, 2006 15:58:48 GMT -4
First sub-orbital flight is set for 2008.Without bothering to look up what you're raving about, I can point out the following: - it's a test flight; - it's scheduled for 2008. I'll bet $10, in the blind, that the launch will slip 6 months or more from whatever month is currently posted. - it's a suborbital system. Getting into orbit (and back) is an enormously different proposition. Getting to the Moon (and back) is (literally) worlds different. We not only built the arms but also the camera system to scan the entire shuttle. We did that in 3 years after Columbia failure.As I've said before, I've actually worked with Canadian engineers on aerospace projects. They're quite competent. And they would laugh at your claims. NASA couldn't even get the tiles to stay glued on in 3 years.Wrong. Neither Challenger nor Columbia had anything to do with tile loss. As long as we get there before you we'll own it.Forbidden by international law, and has been since long before Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon. "We came in peace for all mankind." I repeat: don't you ever get embarrassed by spouting nonsense about subjects of which you have no understanding whatsoever? LO: NASA has working rockets that have a proven track record, Canada does not.Au contraire (that's for the Quebecois). Canada has the reliable Black Brant sounding rocket, in service lo these many years. But AFAIK Canada has no orbital launch capability, nor is any Canadian entity currently planning one. Certainly not any homegrown lunar exploration program. You never landed on the moon so Armstrongs peace claim means zero. We're going for the minerals. A total gold mine of ore. All ours once we get there and stake our flag. International law doesn't apply in outer space.
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Post by nomuse on Dec 15, 2006 16:10:52 GMT -4
Aside from being wrong with every statement, your last missive includes an internal contradiction. If there is no law in space, it doesn't matter who plants a flag. You'll get your claim jumped when the Chinese arrive next year.
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Post by echnaton on Dec 15, 2006 16:12:20 GMT -4
I agree. I think he needs a warning at this point to at least stick to a point and stop littering the board.
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Post by hplasm on Dec 15, 2006 16:42:03 GMT -4
A total gold mine of ore. A little known Canadian measurement; equal to one hundred hogsheads of pig skulls.
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Post by sts60 on Dec 15, 2006 16:46:26 GMT -4
You never landed on the moon so Armstrongs peace claim means zero.
Begging the question.
We're going for the minerals. A total gold mine of ore.
It would not be economical to mine gold from the moon if all it took was an astronaut with a shovel. That's how expensive it is to go there and back. If you knew something about the topic, you'd understand that.
Moreover, that's just flat wrong. Again. Canada is not even planning manned exploration of the Moon. You're spouting nonsense, again, even after the information has been presented directly to you. Again.
All ours once we get there and stake our flag.
Wrong. Again. Specifically forbidden by Article 2 of the 1967 UN Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies.
International law doesn't apply in outer space.
Wrong. Again. This treaty applies to all UN member nations operating in space or on the Moon. Canada signed the treaty in January 1967.
For a big-time legal whiz, you sure don't know much about the law. You certainly don't know anything about physics or space flight.
Don't you ever get embarrassed by spouting obvious nonsense about subjects of which you are completely ignorant?
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 15, 2006 16:58:30 GMT -4
Once we're on the moon we're dig up the minerals and just throw them or hit them towards earth. That's why we had the Russian test out our new space golf club. We'll catch up to them in LEO, harvest them for the return to earth, where we ca$h in.
We may've signed into the treaty and we can sign out.
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