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Post by graham2001 on Sept 2, 2007 13:48:18 GMT -4
Found a couple of 'interesting' sites while checking back on YouTube to see if any more footage had been added. The first is a rather amusing commentary on the footage from an 'expose UFO Troof' page ( tinyurl.com/yqgtsa ), in which the author points out various inconsistencies in the footage but holds out hope that it will lead to the US govt coming clean about flying saucers. The other is a site that seems to be some sort of money making scam linked to the 'Apollo 20' footage. tinyurl.com/ynonsb
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Post by graham2001 on Aug 28, 2007 12:36:20 GMT -4
As we are getting close to September and the alleged date when the hoaxer will 'reveal all', I thought that I would 'bump' this thread.
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Post by graham2001 on Jul 13, 2007 13:04:34 GMT -4
This is more of a 'bump' than anything else, since my last check on his youtube collection the hoaxer has not re-released the three items he removed. One wonders if they are going to be re-released in September when supposedly all will be revealed. I've taken a couple of screen-caps of the 'light flare'. The first is from the now deleted 'Apollo 20 on the launch pad' vid. The second is from the 'CSM footage'. The second image 'looks funny' to me, I'm wondering if the footage has been tampered with at some point. If you download and blow up the image a few times the left side of the picture looks different from the right side.
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Post by graham2001 on Jul 2, 2007 12:35:04 GMT -4
I've just been back to You-tube to see if the hoaxer had added any more vids to his(?) little collection of lies.
Instead he's removed three of them.
1. The 'Alien writing' vid.
2. The 'Saturn on the launchpad' vid (which shared a light leak with the most recent vid)
3. The 'Crew Ingress' vid.
Presumably their being re-worked or something.
Anyone had any success in matching up the footage yet?
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 27, 2007 23:19:24 GMT -4
Well spotted, I'd been trying to read the words on the panel for without success, however this does raise a new question. As far as I can tell in the vid the sequence order is: 1. Actual Apollo footage(?), shares light leak with an earlier vid showing the Apollo in the launch tower. (Which means they could be cut from the same NASA original.) Cut. 2. Scene of sextant with 'flag' and 'mission patch' . (Filmed by hoaxer?) Cut 3. Fake footage of lunar surface. Cut 4. Fake footage of 'Alien Spacecraft'. Cut 5. Fake footage of lunar surface. I'm now wondering where the hoaxer got access to the space sextant/scanning telescope as it's resonably clear that at least in this case they filmed it inside an apollo CM albiet one on the ground... I thought that museums took better care of their property. Sadly the HBs are going to look on this as more 'proof' that Apollo 20 is real grrr... Later: Given the number of times that the ASTP seems to have come up in reference to these vids, it might be worth looking at the footage from that mission to see if there are any matches with the footage being used to make these vids. Later Still: I've watched the only ASTP I footage I have in a degraded copy of the official NASA documentary, but there seemed to be no match for the footage used. This proves nothing of course, so I leave it to someone with access to the 'raw' footage.
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 27, 2007 10:58:03 GMT -4
Also, has anyone seen the flag depicted in the footage before, I keep thinking I have but I just can't place it? The only time I can think that a flag like that would have been used was the 1975 Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, though I have no recollection of it being used in that instance. I've just checked the wikipedia page on the ASTP and it does not appear to been used for that mission (though given the nature of the site that does not prove anything.) The only other thing I can think of at this time, is the opening sequence of the 70's British series 'Quatermass IV' which has a joint US/Soviet space station exploding at the start of the first episode, but its been years since I've seen it and I've no idea where to track down a copy.
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 27, 2007 2:23:55 GMT -4
It's in three parts, part one is shot inside something that looks like the inside of a space capsule (may not be Apollo CM, I think it could be the inside of a Soyuz...) complete with joint US/Soviet flag (US on top) and 'Apollo 20' logo sticky taped to a hatch cover. I found that to be an interesting sequence as well. The very first shot is the side hatch of an Apollo CM, but then the video quickly cuts to the other sequence -- clearly a splice job. I don't recognize the equipment in the second shot; it doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with inside a CM or LM. It could be the inside of any number of old pieces of space hardware, or maybe not space hardware at all, just something that looks "spaceship like". I've looked at the footage again and your right about what we are looking at in the segment after the first cut. I watched the footage again one frame at a time and I still have no idea just what the flag and patch are attached to. The first thing you see is a control panel (?) with toggle switches on either side of an 'instruction card'. There appear to be other controls beneath that but the footage is too dark to make them out. Above the panel is the 'hatch cover' with the flag and patch on it. There seem to be two handles on the hatch and it looks like there is a window being hidden by the items stuck on it. Finally above the hatch cover there is another 'instruction card'. The first thing that entered my head on the second view was 'Skylab?' however it's quite clear that wherever this was shot the hoaxer was there, they've just added their 'joint mission flag' and 'Apollo 20' patch to an existing scene and I'm not sure if that could be done in a museum environment. Also, has anyone seen the flag depicted in the footage before, I keep thinking I have but I just can't place it? Edit: Someone on a UFO board has also been looking into the footage and they think that they have tracked the hoaxer down(See also: Here.). Looks like my speculation that this some sort of promotional stunt may be correct.
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 25, 2007 22:46:09 GMT -4
Oh, so you were talking about the CSM ingress footage. When you said "entry" I thought maybe you were taking about some reentry/landing film sequences that I hadn't seen yet. Sorry about the confusion, however the latest vid posted is interesting, looks like we may have an 'ancient astronaut' peddler on our hands. It's in three parts, part one is shot inside something that looks like the inside of a space capsule (may not be Apollo CM, I think it could be the inside of a Soyuz...) complete with joint US/Soviet flag (US on top) and 'Apollo 20' logo sticky taped to a hatch cover. The remaining two parts have the camera being hand panned across a model lunar surface and a version of the 'alien spacecraft' from the vid in the OP which has craters modeled on it and appears to have been carved to resemble an Egyptian sarcophagus. The first segement is probably the most interesting as it provides a clue as to the hoaxers resources. I don't have the plans of the inside of an Apollo CM or the Soyuz OM or DM to hand, but for the first time we may have a way of finding out just where the hoaxer is, after all there cannot be too many space capsules around open to the public...
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 25, 2007 22:00:26 GMT -4
BTW has anyone managed to identify the CSM entry footage that the hoaxer is using for his latest Apollo 20 vid? Got a link? Here you go: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMZU9XHSrU&mode=user&search=This and a couple of other items can be found in post #81, the other items include some footage of someone walking on a launch gantry with what looks like an Apollo capsule in the background and some shots of a handwritten document through a green filter which is claimed to be 'alien writing'. Edit: The hoaxer has posted another vid, this time its purported footage of the landing site taken from the CSM: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_He2EGu7pKk&mode=user&search=Here is the hoaxers explanation for the footage straight off Youtube
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 25, 2007 21:52:26 GMT -4
There would be more than a couple of 400 foot structures there as well, kind of hard to hide...some assembly building, LUT, MSS... ...there's no way this guy is serious...is there? In respect to the person posting the vids I have no idea, it could just turn out to be a viral marketing campaign for some movie or other... As for the people watching the vids there are several people who are taking this surprisingly seriously. There is a website promoting the vids using Creationist 'teach the controversy' tactics whose author has definitely read this thread in the past and is using it in their site. There are also several individuals who cannot seem to accept that Apollo 18-20 were canceled and their CSMs used to support Skylab and the ASTP. As far as these people are concerned it's "...official pap." BTW has anyone managed to identify the CSM entry footage that the hoaxer is using for his latest Apollo 20 vid?
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 19, 2007 20:16:18 GMT -4
I agree, the crew entry is probably standard footage, rather than what I suggested. I've just pulled my copy of Capricorn One out of storage and there is no resemblance to what's shown.
It's interesting to note that there are two 'flashes' at about ten second intervals during the 'crew entry' footage. Presumably the footage has been cut and spliced to avoid showing the Astronauts faces which would give the game away...
Could they have used footage from different missions?
Without having a copy of the 'raw' footage I'm not going to comment on the 'launchpad' footage save to say that the HBs to claim this 'proves' anything have unacceptably low standards of evidence, there is no background to the pictures to show just where it is or which Apollo is being worked on, for all we know that could be Apollo 7 to 17.
As for the 'surface' footage could it be a reproduction of the Declaration of Independence shot through a green filter?
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 19, 2007 18:39:28 GMT -4
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Post by graham2001 on Jun 8, 2007 9:35:22 GMT -4
you will now spread more lies that this is false, but you KNOW this isnt TRUE, because this footage is obviously Genuine (It Appeared on Youtube and wasn't released by NASA, so it must be true) because you are all going to cry Fake and Fraud and Not so, and the rest of your BrainWashed cronies will convince the world that this is fake, while common sense tells you it MUST be true. What a load of rubbish! But seriously, you expect us to believe that un-sourced footage with no real clues as to its actual origin is true simply because NASA did not release it. I've watched all of the footage released to date and can find nothing to convince me that it's real, especially the paper cut out 'alien city' sequence.
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Post by graham2001 on May 26, 2007 10:19:19 GMT -4
- Polar-orbit launches from Vandenburg fly more or less due south, which takes them straight past Los Angeles. I saw many rocket launches from Vandenburg when I was living in Manhattan & Hermosa Beach. So much for a "secret" launch. Which is of course the objection to any eastward launch from Vandenberg, but the hoaxer either cleverly, or more likely through geographic/historical ignorance has not specified the launch trajectory used...
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Post by graham2001 on May 26, 2007 10:04:13 GMT -4
Other possibilities would be an upgraded S-V capable of higher delta-V than earlier ones; modifications to the CSM/LM stack to save weight (not too likely); a stripped-down mission with less equipment and lower safety margins on fuel loads; or even a 2-man mission with proportionally reduced consumable loads. However our hoaxer, like the makers of Capricorn One, seems to have opted for a 'stock' Apollo J-Mission with a three man crew... It's rather ironic that we here, seem to be coming up with a better (In that it makes a little more sense.) scenario than the person who put together the hoax footage
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