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Post by Ian Pearse on Mar 4, 2008 8:49:02 GMT -4
"also:there are only 2 places on Earth where a compass magnetic compass points True North,the are,The Bermuda Triangle and Dragons Triangle(off Japan,that has had a number of disappearences......"
That's not strictly correct. There is a line (the Agonic Line) along which a compass pointing Magnetic North will alos point True North, as along that line the two poles are lined up. The magnetic North Pole moves around the Northern Canada area. That means the Agonic Line will also drift. Depending on where Magnetic North is, the Agonic Line may or may not intersect the area called the Bermuda triangle. That's as I understand Magnetic North and it's variation.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 21, 2008 15:43:55 GMT -4
Consider further the wind direction. Aircraft have to take off into the prevailing wind. A plane leaving Heathrow Airport to go to Amsterdam will take off in a westerly drection if that is where the wind is coming from. The plane then loops round to the north if it flying a CLN departure, then loops further until it is heading east. A few miles from the departure point it may still be heading north in the SID, a full 90 degrees from the course to it's actual destination.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 21, 2008 11:45:36 GMT -4
If the plane is a large commercial airliner, 3-6 miles would still be negotiating departure airspace. Yup, it would be flying the SID (Standard Instrument Departure) or similar published departure pattern. That may point it in the right direction, but unlikely.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 24, 2008 14:24:35 GMT -4
Just give him a bit more time.... ;D
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 21, 2008 11:46:53 GMT -4
Well, maybe... it is interesting to note that the only survivor of the incident was the guy who was belted up...
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 20, 2008 14:03:12 GMT -4
You may be aware that the Inquest into the death of Princess Diana is taking place at the moment. There were/are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding this event (the crash) with all sorts of claims being made. One by one, the relevant testimonies from the witnesses being called are pouring cold water on the various conspiracy theories - not that this will stop them, of course! it will be interesting to see the reaction of the CTs once it is all over.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 20, 2008 13:56:11 GMT -4
We had a case just a few weeks back where theives had stole a considerable length of LIVE electrical power line for the copper. Several people in the UK have been killed or seriously injured trying to get copper from domestic substations and high-power cables. Some people seem to think that a good pair of gardening gloves is enough to counter 25Kv of voltage... Signal cables have also been stolen from railway lines, causing chaos.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Aug 15, 2007 8:08:40 GMT -4
Gillian,
I'm not phrasing this very well, I'll have another go.
The direct evidence I've come across so far is:
-(obviously) the explosion and fire -fragments of plane and passengers at the site -the CCTV image (though not very clear - not sure if it's enough. Is the resolution of that kit good enough to allow a decent bit of image enhancement? It would be intersting to see if the frame in question can be made easier to interpret) -the black box data (they did find them, didn't they? I seem to recall the CVR was switched off, but the FDR should have been running to the end)
That's as much as I can think of of the evidence at the scene after the incident - I'm deliberately ignoring witnesses at this stage as according to the CTers they are not to be trusted... and I don't think they're needed anyway to make the case.
What I was trying to do was summarise the arguments being put forward by the CTers and the alternative, accepted answer and see how they compared, and make sure I hadn't missed anything. Having done that I was trying to contrast the CT explanation, with all the attendand extra assumptions, with the accepted explanation, with the other evidence that backs it up ( flying lessons, radar track, etc.), basically to conclude that the accepted version makes far more sense.
I probably handled it badly - I'm new to all this so have still to get the technique sorted for assembling and putting forward my ideas.
I hope that makes sense to you...
Personally I think the evidence is conclusive, obviously that's not universally held to be true...
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Post by Ian Pearse on Aug 14, 2007 17:27:08 GMT -4
Gillianren, I was deliberately using COULD a lot as it seemed to me that the CT arguments also use COULD a lot... as well as MAYBE, MIGHT HAVE, and so on. I have no trouble believing that the 9/11 incidents were due to terrorists, the most logical conclusion seems to be that, once you try and take an objective look at the events. it can be argued that there are other explanations for the evidence found on the scene but, as I was trying to say (maybe not very well) the obvious answer is most likely the correct one, as it doesn't have masses of other assumptions to prop it up. I didn't do that too well, did I? My first post here with something meaningful so I have to adjust yet!
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Post by Ian Pearse on Aug 13, 2007 16:03:28 GMT -4
I'm new to this area and have been wading through the postings so far, trying to weed out the blurb and pick out the actual arguments.
As far as I can see:
The US Govt COULD have decided to stage te 9/11 disasters for reasons of their own; They COULD have arranged to have parts stowed secretly in the pentagon in advance; they COULD have arranged to have a 757 fly over or near the Pentagon at the right time; they COULD have arranged to have some other aircraft crash into the building; they COULD have arranged for people to be on hand to plant the previoulsy-stowed bits under the cover of the fire and smoke; they COULD have arranged to have the actual plane disappear without trace; they COULD have arranged to horribly mangle the actua passengers and deposit the bits around the impact site; they COULD have arranged to do this within a very short space of time after the impact... they COULD have bribed/cajoled/threatened people into giving false witness statements; they COULD have made sure any subsequent investigation didn't uncover anything to the contrary.
Does that just about sum up the argument for the conspiracy?
OK, the other side of the coin is this, then: a group of terrorists COULD have paid for lessons in flying aircraft; they COULD then have bought tickets, got on the plane and hijacked it; they COULD then have steered the aircraft to Washington DC; they COULD have turned off the transponder to make the plane harder to track; they COULD have circled round Washington to get to the right place; they COULD have clipped one or more lights as they came in very low; they COULD have crashed the aircraft into the building; the aircraft COULD have shed bits all over the interior and exterior of the Pentagon, the passengers COULD have been horribly mangled and spread around the scenery too.
That's the explanation for the non-CT'ers.
And the evidence for any of this?
a) DNA of the passengers found at the site. b) Parts of the plane found at the site. c) Blurred CCTV which actually doesn't show much as the aircraft came in so fast the camera couldn't catch it, as it shot discrete images at intervals rather than being a continuous recording. d) Records of the suspected terrorists having flying lessons.
There may be other bits of actual evidence I have missed, if so, feel free to add to the list.
My own view is that the evidence is not conclusive one way or the other - it could be made to fit either scenario (with the possible exception of d). So we have to fall back on which may be the more plausible scenario.
To my mind, the CT scenario is the less plausible - there are so many things that are unlikely, so many possible points where the whole game could have been given away, that it seems too cumbersome to stand up. Sorry if that seems an inexact way of saying that, but I couldn't think of any other way of putting it. The actual hijack and crash scenario is much more plausible, especially given the past history of hijackings and the lack of proper security in the US aviation industry at the time.
As someone has said before, the best sort of hoax is one that isn't a hoax at all, in other words go aout and do it. It TPTB really wanted to hoax the 9/11 disasters then the best way would have been to do it the way they said it had bene done - hijack some planes and crash them.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Feb 15, 2008 18:14:02 GMT -4
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Post by Ian Pearse on Jan 25, 2008 8:30:55 GMT -4
I find that as soon as anyone starts adding large numbers of exclamation marks to their text, my mind seems to turn off. That, combined with the use of UPPER CASE makes reading such posts a recipe for a headache.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Oct 19, 2007 13:56:30 GMT -4
We pulled our children out of school for various reasons, and home educated them. Having looked into the subject extensively beforehand, I have come to the conclusion that the phrase "school education" is an oxymoron, just like "military intelligence".
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Post by Ian Pearse on Aug 27, 2007 6:08:22 GMT -4
Thanks for the recommendations. I've downloaded Orbiter and Eagle Lander) and a load of the add-ons. Having a lot of fun learning the basics. I can now get myself into orbit, get my orbit correct and aligned with a target vehicle (e.g. ISS). Now have to master the actual rendezvous and docking. Add-ons are great - 2001 A Space Odyssey set is a must. Adding in the level10 textures for the planets prodces some awe-inspiring views. Highly recommended.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Aug 13, 2007 16:14:27 GMT -4
Thanks folks, I shall download and have a play!
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