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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 6, 2009 2:54:41 GMT -4
Uh, you are kidding right?No, he is not. And neither am I. What do you know about physics outside our little protected world?What makes you think our world is "protected" from the engineer's perspective? Engineers and scientists study the world according to generalized models. Most other people in the world let it go by without noticing. They take the behaviors of light, matter, fluids, gravity, etc. for granted and don't consider how they really work. That's why, when you ask the layman what might keep an astronaut fastened to the floor of his spacecraft in space, you get answers like, "heavy boots." The generalized properties and behaviors are there. For some environments they are simply parameterized differently, with effects of different magnitude. I think your the ignorant one. How many spacecraft have you personally built and operated? Or you?
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 6, 2009 2:01:26 GMT -4
Jarrah White is not a "documentary filmmaker." He's a kid who lives in Australia and makes little movies to show on YouTube for the entertainment of his small circle of friends who hang out there. He sought a serious debate, but after a few weeks he essentially ran away and hid. Kudos to JayUtah. Sure enough your link was fantastic. I must apologize to this board. I usually think of someone putting their opinions out there on film as a film maker. But, after reading the (cough cough) post that you linked to, it is clear that JW is nothing but a person trying to "live up" to someone else's ideas without any substance of his own what-so-ever. Maybe he should express his own opinions instead of others.
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 6, 2009 1:54:43 GMT -4
Uh, you are kidding right? What do you know about physics outside our little protected world? We prove physic properties based on WHAT WE KNOW and a bunch of math to back it up. How do you possibly know what physics apply to our world and that of the universe. Nothing. I think your the ignorant one. Just one of those peeps that can "prove" how things work ON EARTH. Nothing more nothing less. No fight here. I am a film maker. You are a PADI open water diver. I am a certified PADI Master Diver Trainer. Do you what that means? Okay so you have an argument for this. Again, no fight. I respect your posts. But when you state that you are an an expert in physics, I have to challenge that, because this post that you wrote still does NOT state the physics of the universe. So unless you are from some alien world who actually understands the physics of the universe, then I say you are grounded to EARTH physics, which you may be an expert in. Who knows? And because you are only an OPEN WATER DIVER, I say you no idea how physics applies to you under water, as I do. So get real. **Passes you to shovel to keep on digging your hole.** Honestly, I can't believe you are going to take this approach on a SPACE orientated board. If Physics wasn't the same on Earth as off Earth we'd know by now. We can study stars in galaxies light years away from us and see the way they act. We have probes that are now in the farest reaches of our solar system, led there on paths that were calculated relying on the very physics that we learned on Earth. We have satelites that function purely because of Relativity, we have telescopes in orbit about the Sun based purely on the laws of Gravity, we design spacecraft entire around the laws of thermodynamics. We have landed probes on the Moon, Venus, Mars, and Titan based on fluid dynamics and other physical laws learned on Earth. Do you really and truly believe that in the 50 years since we started lobbing rockets into space, that no one would have noticed if physics wasn't the same out there as down here? You really did pick the wrong forum to pick this fight. edited to fix typoes
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 6, 2009 0:26:13 GMT -4
And you and I have never been to the moon. Everything we say is conjecture because of this. Have you ever been scuba diving? It is a different world and our physical laws do not apply. What do you think about the physical laws in zero atmosphere means? Ask an Astronaut. Actually, yes, I am a PADI qualified Open Water Diver. And I'll add in my agreement with the other responses. You are talking bollocks. Physics is physics everywhere (with the exception perhaps inside of the event horizon of a black hole.) Just because you are outside of the atmosphere or under water doesn't means physics changes, the enviroment does, but physics doesn't, and certainly the scientific method and data verification and validation don't. Really to even suggest such a thing is one of the more ignorant things I have read on this board. I hope however that in your case now that it has been responded to that it is only a case of short term ignorance and not willful like some of those we get here. Uh, you are kidding right? What do you know about physics outside our little protected world? We prove physic properties based on WHAT WE KNOW and a bunch of math to back it up. How do you possibly know what physics apply to our world and that of the universe. Nothing. I think your the ignorant one. Just one of those peeps that can "prove" how things work ON EARTH. Nothing more nothing less.
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 5, 2009 0:19:12 GMT -4
Honestly, no, I haven't seen the excellent movie Capricorn One. Netflix must have screwed up; the movie they sent me by that name was terrible. I wanted to make a comment on this but couldn't think of such a polite way to say it. Then I will. The problem here is has anyone ever been on a movie set? Really? I am asking because anyone who has worked in film production knows that everything is taken out of sequence. To fit the budget and the schedule. You CAN NOT have the best Actor in the entire universe going over his lines properly for eight days, needless to say one take (sorry Actors but you know it is true). I just came off a set where in scene by scene the "A" list Actors needed help. We had to cut, etc. it happens all the time - every day. It is a fact that movie making is an illusion and if anyone here thinks that this Apollo transcripts were faked by Astronauts (non-actors) then you had better wake up and smell the coffee. If Academy Award Actors couldn't pull this off, how in the H*** do you think Astronauts could? I'm waiting - tapping toe.
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 5, 2009 0:09:05 GMT -4
Johnsmith, You would seem to be making a rather fundamental mistake in your procedure here. When you do a scientific analysis of something, the very first step is to confirm your data is reliable. Often we'd do this with a control and getting the best first hand data we can, merely assuming that our data set is correct for what we want to use it for is insufficent unless we can show that it is. This is where you are falling down. Merely assuming that everything that NASA has on their website is suitable for analysis is a faulty assumption, as in reality much of what they post is purely for public interest and little to no effort has been made to keep it faithful to the original. We often see this in images where they have been retouched to remove dust and scanning errors. NASA has always worked on the princple that what they post is a fair representation of the original, but if you truly want to do analysis on something, you need to get in touch with them and get a first copy of the material. Since you cannot pass stage one, data validation, anything else you might "find" is totally pointless because it is impossible to distingush a true anomaly in the data from one that is caused by poor data. And you and I have never been to the moon. Everything we say is conjecture because of this. Have you ever been scuba diving? It is a different world and our physical laws do not apply. What do you think about the physical laws in zero atmosphere means? Ask an Astronaut.
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 5, 2009 0:03:58 GMT -4
These HB'ers have no substance and no evidence, just spin. I got a really good idea; put them on O'Reilly. Oh, yeah!
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 4, 2009 23:55:41 GMT -4
I saw JW's videos in their entirety. Move over Michael Moore (hey, I like MM). Your competition in twisting the truth has arrived. Sad. Very sad. And for cinematic purposes the f*** gave a tribute to the families. Shameful, very shameful. Not the tribute, which is understood, but holy cow. I have never been so embarrassed by a supposed documentary film maker in my entire life. What a pathetic bunch of crap (sorry moderator - you can delete the crap word - but I am pissed!)
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 4, 2009 23:43:07 GMT -4
Hi gang!
I was away on a set, sorry I haven't been around. I finally caught up today on this b.s.
Are F****** kidding me? What a bunch of lame as**** who don't understand the proceess of film making.
Let me make this clear: there were approx 400,000 people involved (so I am told, need clarification from the peeps who are in the know) just to get the Apollo mission ready for landing on the moon.
Does anyone the magnitude of getting a film set ready for something like this? I mean, C'mon, I'm not accusing anyone of being an idiot, but jeez.
A film set of this magnitude would have taken years to construct - under secrecy? Then you have the DP and his/her crew, the G&E department. The Script Supervisor (which would be impossible - I've read the transcripts - NO TAKE TWO), the PA's, the Craft Services peeps, and so on and so on.
Really? Okay, so we've got a couple hundred people making the sets and another couple of hundred for Production. I digress. Let's call it 400,300 people keeping secrets. I guess thats possible.
NOT!!
Especially in Hollywood.
Get real.
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 25, 2009 1:39:06 GMT -4
Apollo is just too complex, too many people intimately involved, too many details, it's just inconceivable that they could keep so many millions (billions?) of man hours absolutely secret...to say nothing of the deception of the vast majority of that involved population. Meanwhile, the worldwide scientific and engineering population has no issues with the history as stated... There's no way a "limited few" knew of the hoax. The rest were designing moonships. Where were they deceived in their professional education and training? Hey scooter - yep. The problem with these HB's is that they DO NOT UNDERSTAND what it takes to build a set of that magnitude. Hey, I have an idea, let's call the Army Corps of Engineers - they could do it. And they could, rather quickly and efficiently. But, not when it comes to making a movie set. There are so many differences between what they do (and well, I might add) and what truly is needed for filming a movie. Way different.
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 24, 2009 16:32:34 GMT -4
Thank you kiwi. I just send you a pm. It is good to be aboard the ride!
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 24, 2009 16:03:14 GMT -4
try this at home: take a circle, poke a hole in the center. take a piece of string and arc it around, then back, up underneath through the circle, then back around again, stretching the string now tightly. I don't what you'll get, but I got a brand new car!!
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 24, 2009 15:51:47 GMT -4
Not to mention the thousands of man hours of training in photography. Everyone seems to sweep this fact under the rug. The Astronauts were professional photographers by that point. Probably better than 99% of the photographers that were around at the time. This was a primary concern of NASA. The Astronauts were so concerned about it, that most of the discussions that took place were about photography, while they were on the way. You can read the transcripts.
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 24, 2009 15:13:16 GMT -4
Welcome to the board, gonehollywood, and I hope you stick around a bit. Because, personally, I find the hoax believer's misperceptions about the movie business fully as laughable as their misperceptions about basic science. I'm only a theater tech, though. Most of what I know about the movies comes from watching the commentaries on DVD's! So I would be very interested to see if someone with experience in the business finds the "giant stage lights" and "talkative stage hands" and so forth of Jack White (as a for-instance) as hilarious as I do. Thanks. I intend to. A lot of things I hear these people saying out there doesn't translate most of the time to the technologies that we had back then. Then to build a soundstage of something of that magnitude would have required, as you can imagine, quite a bit of talent. And as claims are made, it came from Hollywood. That in itself is laughable, nobody keeps quiet about anything in this town. You can't even wipe your nose without the rumor mill flying. Unless, of course, all the stage hands, carpenters, union reps, etc.. have all mysteriously disappeared. I think I'll look into that someday, when i have hundred of hours on my hands to go through all those records of stage crew members vanishing or dying in 1970. wink.
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Post by gonehollywood on Jul 23, 2009 6:09:37 GMT -4
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