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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 18:21:36 GMT -4
Ja! He vozz only obeying zee orders!!!
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 18:02:30 GMT -4
Look at it this way... if he had been designing chemical or biological weapons and then after the war the US put him to work on a cure for cancer would you still be so willing to condemn him? If the US saved the necks of the men who poured Zyklon B into the gas chambers simply because they might be able to discover a cure for cancer at some stage in the future as a result of their work, then I would condemn both it and them. The behaviour of the US in regard to Von Braun can only be described as disgusting. This was a man who was directly responsible for the genocide of thousands. He should have faced the Nuremburg trials, and stated his case there. Instead, he was provided with a life of luxury simply because of his propaganda value.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 15:38:29 GMT -4
Weapons are built during wars. Should only the weapon designers of the losing side be punished? Perhaps "the side which started it" would be a better starting point. It's true that Von Braun is loathed in Europe, and we are baffled by the way in which he was feted by the USA, in much the same way as you would be baffled if we in Europe lionised Mohammed Atta simply because of his skill and expertise. But we wouldn't do that.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 14:41:21 GMT -4
I originally read that "Space Race" was a joint US- Russian venture, so I was surprised that it hadn't been shown in the US first. I've now read that it was a BBC production, but still with large financial input from the US.
I presume the programme will soon be shown Stateside- anyone know for sure?
Personally, although I watch very little TV, I am going to be watching this series when I can- I don't watch TV during the week because of work so I am getting Mrs Margamatix to videotape it.
Although drama isn't my thing, I did enjoy it, and there was a fair amount of factual information. For example, more people died building the V2 rockets than were killed by them in the London raids. My Mum and Dad, who are both still alive, remember the sheer terror of these raids, and of the V1 raids very clearly.
To my mind, Von Braun should have been hanged for his part in the V2 programme. "I was only obeying orders" didn't save anyone at the Nuremburg trials, and it's a disgrace that he never even had to account for his role in WW2, but was instead lionised for his "value"
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 12:58:30 GMT -4
I'm sure you are right. Even if it did claim Apollo to be a hoax, I wouldn't place any store in that, since it appears to be more drama than documentary anyway.
What is Fox? Is it a TV production company or a TV channel or what? Apart from the Apollo programme which draws your disdain, is it known as an untruthful TV company? It might be available in the UK on cable or satellite, but I don't have either.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 16:37:36 GMT -4
I would say the BBC has sunk to the level of FOX. But that's not going to happen. How do you know what is going to happen?
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 15:40:42 GMT -4
I watched this programme and have to say I enjoyed it.
I'm always wary about "Dramadocs" or "Docudramas" or whatever they are called- to my mind, it's either a documentary or a drama. But it can never be both.
Anyway, I'm glad to see that the stereotypical Nazi Officer is alive and well on BBC TV.
"Ahhhh, Von Braun. Zee Fuehrer iss not so happy viz your verk" etc etc etc
So what will you all have to say when episode 4 shows it all being faked in Area 51?
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Post by margamatix on Nov 27, 2005 16:01:17 GMT -4
Holes in the roof of the hangar.
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Post by margamatix on Nov 25, 2005 14:41:04 GMT -4
In fact he was not referring to me but has made identical ad hominem statements about myself in the past. He has now repeated these statements about another member- accusations about alcohol abuse seems to be a recurring theme here- and further, he has implied that the member is drugged. This is libellous, and the use of a question mark does nothing to diminish this libel. If Kiwi makes any further posting suggesting that another member holds the views he does because of alcohol or drug abuse, I will report it to ProBoards.
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Post by margamatix on Nov 25, 2005 14:20:10 GMT -4
The effect of drink or drugs? This is a libellous statement and I request that Kiwi has his posting rights suspended.
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Post by margamatix on Nov 19, 2005 20:18:19 GMT -4
Well if it's "not one" it obviously can't be singular... ;D "One" is singular. "Not one" is singular.
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Post by margamatix on Nov 19, 2005 16:19:26 GMT -4
Of the lawyers I know, none are so. illiterate If we're going to play "Grammarian", this should read "Of the lawyers I know, none IS so illiterate" since the pronoun "none" , meaning "not one" is singular You would not say "Of the lawyers I know, one are tall"
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Post by margamatix on Nov 19, 2005 20:48:47 GMT -4
OBVIOUSLY, this means you are automatically correct in everything you say. I simply was not, and never will be, prepared to allow you to introduce fabricated statements into the argument. This suddenly means that the moon landings really were faked. I have seen the light. Thank you, Marge. Friends are always welcome.
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Post by margamatix on Nov 19, 2005 18:16:44 GMT -4
Damn, Margamatix, what the hell is wrong with you? DIRECTLY, NO. INDIRECTLY, YES. Can you see what I'm saying now? Yes. You are saying "No"
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Post by margamatix on Nov 19, 2005 18:07:15 GMT -4
Is that "No"?
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