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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 17, 2010 19:06:13 GMT -4
He's trying to say that streak patterns caused by the LM exhaust is evidence of brush strokes on concrete. He's on the David Icke forum saying he's duped all of you and he's "got you". -,- Oh well, I guess we lost the argument then...
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 17, 2010 18:56:47 GMT -4
Does time slow down in lower gravity, or is it just that clocks go slower? How would a Grandfather Clock perform in orbit for example? I think you'll find that clocks actually run faster in lower gravity, and that has recently been shown experimentally. www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3762/hold-back-time-dont-climb-stairsNow, are you going to answer Jay's questions regarding error analysis. 1. Have you performed an error analysis on your data? If not, why not? If so, what is the result?
2. Have you performed a photogrammetric rectification on the photograph? If not, why not? If so, how does that affect the measurement?
3. Have you performed a statistical curve-fit (instead of a subjective visual curve-fit)? If so, how did your results differ from the visual method? If not, why not?I'd like to see you make a point by point response to those questions as they are fundamental to your analysis. From what I can see, you have plotted a curve and said it doesn't quite fit a parabola perfectly. Why do you expect a perfect fit based on experimental observation?
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 17, 2010 8:17:02 GMT -4
True there were some orange-ish soils found by one of the later missions, but that certainly wasn't returned in '69. Soils being the opeartive word, NOT whole rocks. The orange soil is believed to be volcanic in origin and due to the presence of zinc. That is what sets it aside from the rest of the lunar crust; given how the latter is believed to have been formed. Maybe galaxy can explain why a red rock does (should) not stick out like a sore thumb? Over to you galaxy.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 17, 2010 7:31:13 GMT -4
Why doesn't it look like a moon rock, to you ? Erm, because it is reddish for a start? Do you think it is fair to put a colour photograph next to a black and white photograph and ask for a comparison? What particular features makes the Dutch wood look like the moon rock, at least in your opinion. Further, how does this actually support the argument that the missions were hoaxed? I cannot connect the two in my mind. The other samples were encased in lucite and much smaller in comparison. How do you explain this discrepancy?
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 17, 2010 5:49:40 GMT -4
I'm unsure, but weren't all gift samples given in lucite? If so, it may have been to prevent the sample being "split up". That is exactly what Buzz describes in the video Jarrah has put up. Looking at the other samples given to other nations, I would be surprised if any CTer can argue that the wood is evidence of fakery, as it looks nothing like the other samples. They will, because they are totally dishonest.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 16, 2010 20:20:13 GMT -4
If I were in charge of presenting gifts to commemorate the Apollo 11 crew's visit, I would try to think of some kind of gift that was related to Apollo 11 in some way. If they couldn't present a moon rock, then surely they could come up with something better than a piece of petrified wood. Maybe a framed mission patch, for example. It defies logic that if one was trying to perpertrate a huge hoax that one would draw attention to oneself by trying to palm off a piece of wood as rock. So yes, a mission patch or something similar would be the thing to present. But then I put myself into the conspiracy mind and operate opposite logic, which would be to say that, 'Ah yes, but by presenting something like a patch you are showing you are trying to hide something as there is nothing from the moon, so you have to make it look like something came from the moon.' So, surely one would just present a piece of rock in that case rather than petrified wood (I know it's not that simple). The CTers are loving the whole petrified wood story. Personally I'm enjoying too, as it shows that rational thinking is... well... absent. The whole conspiracy story is more fanciful than the time the local vicar's tea party, when the women's institute heard the local supermarket had reduced Mr Kipling's cakes by 90%.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 16, 2010 17:56:47 GMT -4
The text was translated by a Dutch friend: Exactly 40 years ago the whole world was breatlessly watching two astronauts doing the first steps on the Moon. Not only they left their footprints and a flag on the Moon, but they took something back as well: moonrocks, billions of years old. From July 8 - August 30 the Boerhaave museum shows two original samples of moongrit of the Apollo missions, for everyone to see. There are some authentic Apollo-footages to be seen, with the source of the small rocks. There is a small presentation showing the visitor historic photos and videos, proving the huge value of these manned spaceflights. American astronauts of the Apollo program took 382 kilos of moonrocks with them back to Earth, during the six manned spaceflights to the Moon. To show the succes the American president Nixon presented the heads of state from a lot of countries a sample from the soil. These came from the famous first Apollo 11 flight in 1969, as well as the Apollo 17 in 1972, together with a flag of the country that was on board of the lunar module. The Dutch queen Juliana gave her moonrocks to the Dutch museum. Because of the 40th anniversary of the manned flight to the Moon the rocks can be viewed by the public. The first sample came with Apollo 11 from the Mare Tranquillitatis, de landing site where the Apollo landed. These rocks are some 4 billion years old basalt. The second sample was collected by Apollo 17 at the Littrow Taurus mountians.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 16, 2010 13:53:11 GMT -4
So, why would someone present a much bigger sample to only one country? I agree. When I saw the petrified wood and the CTers hollering, I had that facepalm moment. If the CTers are to think that the US presented samples that big then they are dumber than I can possibly imagine. As though the US were going to give away half their lunar rock collection. They simply don't get it do they. The samples are of great scientific value, so the US aren't going to just throw them away. Typical here in the UK. The sample that was presented to the 'People of the UK' is kept in the study at No 10 for all of us to see.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 16, 2010 13:44:52 GMT -4
All I know is that the A16 sample in the Science Natural History Museum in London is huge, relative to the dust samples from A11, about the size of my fist, and possibly amongst the most valuable pieces in the collection. It's neat because you can see the zap pits etc. Edit: whoops, wrong museum. I occasionally get them confused because they're part of the same complex. Also, the NHM has a vial of cometary diamond dust from before the solar system was born. I think that is utterly rad. Maybe I owe myself a trip to go and see these things... sounds really very interesting. Diamond dust that is pre-solar system. Cool.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 16, 2010 10:15:21 GMT -4
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 15, 2010 14:45:53 GMT -4
Buzz is the astronaut I'm least inclined to piss off. Me too. He's an octogenarian and I'm a not quite 40, 6' 3" rugby player tipping in at around 240 lbs - but I'd not like that parting shot he landed on Sibrel. I'm not a violent person, but I admit a little part of me was wishing he had made it number 2 - just a little part of me.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 14, 2010 23:01:29 GMT -4
Maybe if Rodin feels his questions are not answered, he can list his ''unanswered' questions and agree to discuss each one until it is exhausted, before moving on to the next. What do you think to this Rodin? Is that a fair offer. I can't say if people here will want to trawl over the same arguments again, but you can give it a go. By the way, are you the same guy at YouTube who goes by the name TroddinSod?
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 14, 2010 13:20:05 GMT -4
I know a few people have made comments about how JW would question miners on their 'hoaxed escape', and I'm sure he will exploit this as the depravity of 'propagandists'. I think the last two posts have demonstrated that these comments are actually due to the despair that people feel when every event seems to be labeled a conspiracy. So before JW makes a video of how sick we are, please get the point of those comments. They were well aimed barbs aimed at every delusional idiot in the world who cannot celebrate good news and immediately call conspiracy out of hatred and jealousy.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 14, 2010 2:40:18 GMT -4
So, with some people comparing the drama and ultimate rescue of the 33 trapped miners in Chile with the Apollo 13 mission, how long will it be before our friend JW claims that the whole thing was a hoax? ;D Funny you should post this. I was listening/watching last night and the thought did cross my mind. I was half expecting to hear the nasally whine as the first miner was extracted, microphone stuck under his nose as some ill thought question was stuttered in his direction. "So, how did you survive the lethal doses of radiation emitted from the rock?" Talking about Apollo 13, did Ralph Rene write something about it being impossible becasue the capsule was travelling too fast, and it was impossible for it to be slowed down before the moon had chance to pull it around? (crudely speaking)
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 13, 2010 20:07:32 GMT -4
A very measured and well worded response from Jay, which led me to a perculiar thought.
Seeing the Grandchild flounder as Buzz walked out of the room, it occurred to me that 'hurling invective from the relative safety of YouTube' underlines just what an empty vessel he is. At least Sibrel had the courage of his conviction and had the guts to call Buzz a coward and liar. While I don't agree with Bart's behavior, in some strange way, I now have more respect for Bart than I do Jarrah. It's a relative thing before people launch into me, as I have none for Bart Sibrel, that is for sure. My brain is haggled after listening to the miner rescue on BBC for most of the night. It's 31 now, and time to go to bed...
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