Apollo 20 hoax footage

[graham2001]

phantomwolf said:

I have been suspecting that it was a viral marketing ploy for a while now.

I always thought this was going to turn out to be one of those postmodern 'art' things like the 'Soyuz 2' nonsense put on display in Spain back in the 90's.

It's interesting to see however that the company is linking to another person releasing videos to support the set linked to in the OP.

[macapple]

In the Apollo 20 - the city part of the video he uses some of the following A15 transmission sound over the pictures..

www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1210530.rm

[graham2001]

I'm glad to see someone has tracked down part of this hoaxers audio stockpile.

Interestingly we are almost half-way through October, the month in which there was supposed to be a 'big revelation'.

I wonder if the hoaxer has lost interest in his little game?

[graham2001]

This is a bump of an old but somewhat interesting thread.

The original hoaxer 'Retiredafb' seems to have disappeared and taken his footage with him. (Thankfully I saved them all before they did so )

However others are carrying on the 'work' of perpetuating and extending the hoax.

Behold:

ValValiantThor

&

rrmmii

&

Moonwalker1966Delta who I suspect is the original hoaxer under another guise.

But thankfully that's not all, someone did a video using Orbiter showing what would happen if a Saturn V was[/i] launched from Vandenberg.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-OxRvyx17k

I plan to pull down VVTs & Moonwalker1966Delta's videos tomorrow, I'll let you know what I think after I've watched them.

[Count Zero]

The Youtube video was nice. Not enough smoke at launch, but he included the ice falling off the booster.

[graham2001]

countzero said:

The Youtube video was nice. Not enough smoke at launch, but he included the ice falling off the booster.

That's just a limitation of the SIM program (Orbiter) he was using, I've got it myself, as far as I can tell the physics are accurate.

I've been back and checked that users (armin3773) posts and he did some other vids on the Apollo 20 hoax, rather than link to them individually I'm just going to link to his YouTube page:

Armin3773.

Two highlights are:

1. Home made CSM Vid.

2. Annotated CSM Ingress Video

While checking the comments on one of ValValiantThors clips I found this debunking site.

Also I've found Retiredafbs youtube page. He claims to have moved his material to a new site (revver <DOT> com). I'm not going there from my own computer, god knows what I could catch from doing that.

[tedward]

Re revver etc. Just had a look see, on a mac so no worries for me there. BUT from the FAQ about revver from their own web site.
www.revver.com/go/faq/#general1 hope that has not ruffled any feathers posting that.

Easy to get a high blood pressure looking at some of that stuff about 20 though. Wow, city on the moon. Well I never. Whatever next.

[graham2001]

tedward said:

Easy to get a high blood pressure looking at some of that stuff about 20 though. Wow, city on the moon. Well I never. Whatever next.

What raises my blood pressure is that:

a): Anyone actually believed that nonsense.

b): Some people for whatever reason decided to support/expand it it.

I mean look at these this Youtube vid from October last year:

ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. FOLLOW THE DARK

And then there is the Spaceheroes.com site, which includes such gems as:

Admittedly, part of the reason for submitting this article is to see if the Apollo 20 Secret USAF Mission to the Moon Story really is censored in the U.S. If it doesn't appear at Rense.com within the next few days, the answer must be, “Yes!”

I don't know what 'product' is being pushed by this, but as soon as I find out what it is, I'll no longer buy it.

[tedward]

Very curious as to motives but I suspect someone will grow up. Maybe.

Looking at the number of people who believe the whole Apollo was a hoax it is easy to see other hoax idea's getting a following. I think its down to outright distrust to anything/person in authority and latching on to this stuff with blinkers.

I did originally think it was from a young age that the idea's are formed, you know, follow the leader in school not wanting to be seen to be a free thinker. Or maybe wanting to be different? But the net has knocked that one on the head, getting hooked when young that is. Recently looking at the usual suspects stuff on YouTube has thrown me another googly (cricket term not search engine). Now I just think its an idea and "damn anyone who can prove me wrong, try it, go on, what? You have evidence? I don't trust that cos I don't like it, the colour is wrong, change subject, back out....etc etc"

20 stinks from the start.

[Ginnie]

Here is an interview with 'William Rutlege' aka retiredafb on YouTube. Supposedly he is the Apollo 20 astronaut who released the videos.
www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm

Maybe some of our knowledgeable l members here could examine the responses given to the questions and find the errors or inconsistencies?

[PhantomWolf]

Well I can start here.

It was different with NASA, all astronauts were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.

The Astronauts were all Air force or Navy, not Army, thus most would not have been West Point students. Further some were civilians and at least one never attended any military training.

Starting with 11:

Armstrong – Purdue University, University of Southern California
Aldrin – U.S. Military Academy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Collins – U.S. Military Academy
Conrad - Princeton University
Gordon – University of Washington
Bean - University of Texas
Lovell - U.S. Naval Academy
Swigert - University of Colorado, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, University of Hartford
Haise - University of Oklahoma
Sheppard –U.S. Naval Academy
Roosa – University of Colorado
Mitchell - Carnegie Institute of Technology, U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Scott – U.S. Military Academy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Worden – U.S. Military Academy, University of Michigan
Irwin - U.S. Naval Academy, University of Michigan
Young – Georgia, U. S. Navy Test Pilot School
Mattingly – Auburn University
Duke - U.S. Naval Academy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Air Force Aerospace Research Pilot School
Cernan – Purdue, US. Naval Postgraduate School
Evans - University of Kansas, U.S. Naval Postgraduate School
Schmitt – Caltech, University of Oslo, Harvard University

So from the list only 4 of the 21 when to West Point, the same as the number that when to the Naval Academy and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology!

[PhantomWolf]

NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25.

I'm a little sceptical here since I can see no reason that the USAF would be interested in the Soviet N-1 (I might be wrong but I suspect a Cold War Warrior would speak of Soviet rather then Russian too) and the USAF didn't get their hands on a Foxbat until a month AFTER the so-called Apollo 20 was supposed to have been flown. Having said that, there is no proof either way on either of these as it's likely that there was a unit of the USAF trying to determine the Mig-25's characteristics in the late 60's and early 70's.

[Bob B.]

I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament.

The constitutional crisis and conflict in Moscow to which he refers occurred in October 1993.

Capcom were Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.

Conrad’s middle name in not Peter; his given name is simply Charles Conrad, Junior. However, since his mother wanted to name him Peter, this is the name by which he was called. He later became known as just 'Pete'.

On long duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM…

It was LM, not LEM. An astronaut would know this and would not keep making this mistake.

Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter.

Luna 15 was a lander and soil sample return mission that failed. It was not a probe like Ranger or Lunar Orbiter, neither of which had any ability to land.

[Ginnie]

Bob B., you gotta admit these are small points though. Wasn't the LM once known as LEM?
I wonder who the guy really is.
Maybe he'll post more pictures like he said he would.

The oddest part to me was when his friend happened to find video and pictures at of the mission at some 'container'. I mean what are the chances that:
1. This person knows Rutledge
2. Found pictures and video of a 'mission' that Rutledge just happened to be on.
Also, to Rutledge the most important thing in the container was blank B/W photo paper?

[PhantomWolf]

I saw the LM/LEM thing and noted that it switched a number of times, but then decided that if it weas a transcript then the issue was with the transcriber and not the speaker, unless he said it "El Em" and "El Ee Em" and that'd just be way wierd in itself.