Apollo 20 hoax footage

[graham2001]

bob said:

graham2001 said:

Here you go:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMZU9XHSrU&mode=user&search=

Oh, so you were talking about the CSM ingress footage. When you said "entry" I thought maybe you were taking about some reentry/landing film sequences that I hadn't seen yet.

Sorry about the confusion, however the latest vid posted is interesting, looks like we may have an 'ancient astronaut' peddler on our hands.

It's in three parts, part one is shot inside something that looks like the inside of a space capsule (may not be Apollo CM, I think it could be the inside of a Soyuz...) complete with joint US/Soviet flag (US on top) and 'Apollo 20' logo sticky taped to a hatch cover.

The remaining two parts have the camera being hand panned across a model lunar surface and a version of the 'alien spacecraft' from the vid in the OP which has craters modeled on it and appears to have been carved to resemble an Egyptian sarcophagus.

The first segement is probably the most interesting as it provides a clue as to the hoaxers resources.

I don't have the plans of the inside of an Apollo CM or the Soyuz OM or DM to hand, but for the first time we may have a way of finding out just where the hoaxer is, after all there cannot be too many space capsules around open to the public...

[Bob B.]

graham2001 said:

It's in three parts, part one is shot inside something that looks like the inside of a space capsule (may not be Apollo CM, I think it could be the inside of a Soyuz...) complete with joint US/Soviet flag (US on top) and 'Apollo 20' logo sticky taped to a hatch cover.

I found that to be an interesting sequence as well. The very first shot is the side hatch of an Apollo CM, but then the video quickly cuts to the other sequence -- clearly a splice job. I don't recognize the equipment in the second shot; it doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with inside a CM or LM. It could be the inside of any number of old pieces of space hardware, or maybe not space hardware at all, just something that looks "spaceship like".

[graham2001]

bob said:

graham2001 said:

It's in three parts, part one is shot inside something that looks like the inside of a space capsule (may not be Apollo CM, I think it could be the inside of a Soyuz...) complete with joint US/Soviet flag (US on top) and 'Apollo 20' logo sticky taped to a hatch cover.

I found that to be an interesting sequence as well. The very first shot is the side hatch of an Apollo CM, but then the video quickly cuts to the other sequence -- clearly a splice job. I don't recognize the equipment in the second shot; it doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with inside a CM or LM. It could be the inside of any number of old pieces of space hardware, or maybe not space hardware at all, just something that looks "spaceship like".

I've looked at the footage again and your right about what we are looking at in the segment after the first cut. I watched the footage again one frame at a time and I still have no idea just what the flag and patch are attached to.

The first thing you see is a control panel (?) with toggle switches on either side of an 'instruction card'. There appear to be other controls beneath that but the footage is too dark to make them out.

Above the panel is the 'hatch cover' with the flag and patch on it. There seem to be two handles on the hatch and it looks like there is a window being hidden by the items stuck on it. Finally above the hatch cover there is another 'instruction card'.

The first thing that entered my head on the second view was 'Skylab?' however it's quite clear that wherever this was shot the hoaxer was there, they've just added their 'joint mission flag' and 'Apollo 20' patch to an existing scene and I'm not sure if that could be done in a museum environment.

Also, has anyone seen the flag depicted in the footage before, I keep thinking I have but I just can't place it?

Edit: Someone on a UFO board has also been looking into the footage and they think that they have tracked the hoaxer down(See also: Here.). Looks like my speculation that this some sort of promotional stunt may be correct.

[Bob B.]

graham2001 said:

Also, has anyone seen the flag depicted in the footage before, I keep thinking I have but I just can't place it?

The only time I can think that a flag like that would have been used was the 1975 Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, though I have no recollection of it being used in that instance.

[graham2001]

bob said:

graham2001 said:

Also, has anyone seen the flag depicted in the footage before, I keep thinking I have but I just can't place it?

The only time I can think that a flag like that would have been used was the 1975 Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, though I have no recollection of it being used in that instance.

I've just checked the wikipedia page on the ASTP and it does not appear to been used for that mission (though given the nature of the site that does not prove anything.)

The only other thing I can think of at this time, is the opening sequence of the 70's British series 'Quatermass IV' which has a joint US/Soviet space station exploding at the start of the first episode, but its been years since I've seen it and I've no idea where to track down a copy.

[voyager3]

graham2001 said:

The first thing you see is a control panel (?) with toggle switches on either side of an 'instruction card'. There appear to be other controls beneath that but the footage is too dark to make them out.

Above the panel is the 'hatch cover' with the flag and patch on it. There seem to be two handles on the hatch and it looks like there is a window being hidden by the items stuck on it. Finally above the hatch cover there is another 'instruction card'.

The first thing that entered my head on the second view was 'Skylab?' however it's quite clear that wherever this was shot the hoaxer was there, they've just added their 'joint mission flag' and 'Apollo 20' patch to an existing scene and I'm not sure if that could be done in a museum environment.

I've just been looking at that footage. Just before it cuts to the "Moonscape" on the top right hand corner of the panel you can just about make out the word "TRUNNION," it definetely begins with T R and it is not in Cyrillic letters so it wasn't filmed in an old Soyuz capsule. Was there ever any piece of equipment in an Apollo CM called a trunnion or something similar?

[ajv]

I haven't seen the video clip but CM Panel 121 has SHAFT and TRUNNION labels.

You can see a diagram of it on page 295 of the AOH Controls and Displays (37.1MB) at the AFJ Portal (AOH Volume 1)

[Bob B.]

ajv said:

I haven't seen the video clip but CM Panel 121 has SHAFT and TRUNNION labels.

You can see a diagram of it on page 295 of the AOH Controls and Displays (37.1MB) at the AFJ Portal (AOH Volume 1)

Yep, that's it. It's the panel for the space sextant and scanning telescope.

[graham2001]

Well spotted, I'd been trying to read the words on the panel for without success, however this does raise a new question. As far as I can tell in the vid the sequence order is:

1. Actual Apollo footage(?), shares light leak with an earlier vid showing the Apollo in the launch tower. (Which means they could be cut from the same NASA original.)

Cut.

2. Scene of sextant with 'flag' and 'mission patch' . (Filmed by hoaxer?)

Cut

3. Fake footage of lunar surface.

Cut

4. Fake footage of 'Alien Spacecraft'.

Cut

5. Fake footage of lunar surface.

I'm now wondering where the hoaxer got access to the space sextant/scanning telescope as it's resonably clear that at least in this case they filmed it inside an apollo CM albiet one on the ground... I thought that museums took better care of their property.

Sadly the HBs are going to look on this as more 'proof' that Apollo 20 is real grrr...

Later: Given the number of times that the ASTP seems to have come up in reference to these vids, it might be worth looking at the footage from that mission to see if there are any matches with the footage being used to make these vids.

Later Still: I've watched the only ASTP I footage I have in a degraded copy of the official NASA documentary, but there seemed to be no match for the footage used. This proves nothing of course, so I leave it to someone with access to the 'raw' footage.

[graham2001]

I've just been back to You-tube to see if the hoaxer had added any more vids to his(?) little collection of lies.

Instead he's removed three of them.

1. The 'Alien writing' vid.

2. The 'Saturn on the launchpad' vid (which shared a light leak with the most recent vid)

3. The 'Crew Ingress' vid.

Presumably their being re-worked or something.

Anyone had any success in matching up the footage yet?

[graham2001]

This is more of a 'bump' than anything else, since my last check on his youtube collection the hoaxer has not re-released the three items he removed.

One wonders if they are going to be re-released in September when supposedly all will be revealed.

I've taken a couple of screen-caps of the 'light flare'. The first is from the now deleted 'Apollo 20 on the launch pad' vid. The second is from the 'CSM footage'.





The second image 'looks funny' to me, I'm wondering if the footage has been tampered with at some point. If you download and blow up the image a few times the left side of the picture looks different from the right side.

[graham2001]

As we are getting close to September and the alleged date when the hoaxer will 'reveal all', I thought that I would 'bump' this thread.

[graham2001]

Found a couple of 'interesting' sites while checking back on YouTube to see if any more footage had been added.

The first is a rather amusing commentary on the footage from an 'expose UFO Troof' page ( tinyurl.com/yqgtsa ), in which the author points out various inconsistencies in the footage but holds out hope that it will lead to the US govt coming clean about flying saucers.

The other is a site that seems to be some sort of money making scam linked to the 'Apollo 20' footage.

tinyurl.com/ynonsb

[dumbtechie]

graham2001 said:

Found a couple of 'interesting' sites while checking back on YouTube to see if any more footage had been added.

The first is a rather amusing commentary on the footage from an 'expose UFO Troof' page ( tinyurl.com/yqgtsa ), in which the author points out various inconsistencies in the footage but holds out hope that it will lead to the US govt coming clean about flying saucers.

The other is a site that seems to be some sort of money making scam linked to the 'Apollo 20' footage.

tinyurl.com/ynonsb

A WHOIS on that second site, "spaceheroes.org", turns up an organization name of "Silicon Laude". Silicon Laude is a Texas-based company that sells microcontroller ICs and development tools. "spaceheroes.org" and "siliconlaude.com" both resolve to the same IP address- 205.178.145.65. The home page of Silicon Laude's Web site has more area devoted to "Apollo 20" pictures than to their products, but the rest of the site seems quite unremarkable for a small tech company.

This is weird. If spaceheroes.org isn't directly connected with this hoax, it wouldn't be the first time that a smart tech geek went woo. OTOH, the selling of swag gives off a distinct whiff of eau de marketing viral.

At least there's now a traceable connection between an identifiable real-world entity and the hoax.

[PhantomWolf]

I have been suspecting that it was a viral marketing ploy for a while now.