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Post by logger on Nov 5, 2008 10:22:10 GMT -4
That still wouldn't give McCain the election. It would go to Biden. The electors vote on December 15. If something were to happen to Obama before that date, it is up to the electors to decide what to do. It doesn't seem likely that many (or even any) of the Obama electors would vote for McCain, but they might fail to coordinate and vote for Biden as a block instead. Some states require electors to vote for the candidate for whom they are pledged, which means they would have to vote for Obama. It may not be possible for Biden to get a majority, even if the electors do coordinate. In that case, the election goes to the house of representatives. If something were to happen to Obama after December 15, then Biden would take over. To be fair back then not many were. The exact text is: I would assume there is nobody left who would qualify under the second condition.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 5, 2008 11:18:22 GMT -4
George Washington wasn't a "natural born" citizen of the United States either... GW became president before the constitution was enacted. The US government was initially authorized under the Articles of Confederation. Subsequent presidents were citizens of the US because they were born citizens of a state or teritory.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 5, 2008 11:33:29 GMT -4
If something were to happen to Obama after December 15, then Biden would take over.
I'm not so sure there wouldn't be a review of the question. However since the Dems are in charge of Congress, Biden would likely get the presidency, setting a precedent. If the situation were to happen for the first time while an opposing party controlled Congress, it could be trouble.
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Post by Jason on Nov 5, 2008 12:07:52 GMT -4
Face it, Obama is going to be president, not John McCain.
The Illuminati either failed or didn't actually want McCain. If I were interested in expanding government control over the people I would certainly have backed Obama instead of McCain anyway.
On the bright side, my perdiction that Mrs. Clinton would not be president seems a pretty sure thing at this point.
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Post by Data Cable on Nov 5, 2008 13:03:51 GMT -4
Should Obama be found to have faked his birth certificate and not be qualified for the office of president by reason of not being a natural born citizen, it certainly would be a criminal offense. Irrelevant. Fruit of the poisonous tree refers to evidence in a criminal investigation ruled inadmissible by virtue of having resulted from malicious actions of the state. It is not a metaphor for "guilt by association." [Edit: Posting before coffee... train of thought derailed]
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Post by gillianren on Nov 5, 2008 13:27:26 GMT -4
The Constitution acknowledges that the early Presidents weren't natural born, but it specifically gives them an out.
As for Obama's supposed lack of citizenship, when the documents are produced and the election goes to him, what will be the excuse then?
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Nov 5, 2008 18:53:04 GMT -4
As for Obama's supposed lack of citizenship, when the documents are produced and the election goes to him, what will be the excuse then? If that's the case, then it becomes a non-issue. But I'll be left wondering why Obama sealed all those previously-ennumerated records. He's definitely hiding something. How serious it is, I don't know. Part of being a CT is having to wait for information to surface.
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Post by gillianren on Nov 5, 2008 18:56:32 GMT -4
Fortunately, part of being a CT is also ignoring any information you don't like.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Nov 5, 2008 19:16:26 GMT -4
Fortunately, part of being a CT is also ignoring any information you don't like. Right back atchya, gillian.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 6, 2008 5:01:20 GMT -4
But I'll be left wondering why Obama sealed all those previously-ennumerated records. He's definitely hiding something. How serious it is, I don't know. Well if you mean the birth cert, it wasn't Obama, it was the Govenor of Hawaii, and the reason is obvious, the only ones that were entiltled to his BC are him and immediately family, the seal was to stop every tom, dick and alex, from demanding a copy.
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Post by logger on Nov 6, 2008 11:24:28 GMT -4
GW became president before the constitution was enacted. The US government was initially authorized under the Articles of Confederation. Subsequent presidents were citizens of the US because they were born citizens of a state or teritory. The current constitution was ratified in 1787. George Washington became the first president under this constitution in 1789. The government under the articles of confederation had an office of the presidency, but George Washington was not one of them. He was therefore subject to the requirement spelled out in the present constitution, which reads: So he would qualify under the second condition. If something were to happen to Obama after December 15, then Biden would take over.I'm not so sure there wouldn't be a review of the question. However since the Dems are in charge of Congress, Biden would likely get the presidency, setting a precedent. If the situation were to happen for the first time while an opposing party controlled Congress, it could be trouble. It seems to me, on December 15, the electoral votes will be cast, and in January, they will be counted, and Obama elected with the required majority of 270 or more. If for some reason he were unable to serve, then the office of presidency would be vacant, and the vice-president would assume the office of the presidency. The only scenario I could think of where something else would happen would be if the senate declared that electoral votes cast for a dead or otherwise ineligible candidate would be invalid, and that no one then had a majority of 270. The election would then go to the house of representatives. Is that the scenario you have in mind, or something different? As for Obama's supposed lack of citizenship, when the documents are produced and the election goes to him, what will be the excuse then? I doubt it will even get that far. The court challenge to Obama's candidacy has been thrown out for lack of standing, and if voters don't have standing, it's not clear who does, other than possibly the losing candidate. And I don't think he will be suing. If the electors cannot be prevented for voting for Obama, then he'll get 270 electoral votes with a comfortable cushion, and it seems to me then responsibility for enforcing eligibility requirements for the presidency would be with the senate, when it counts the electoral votes. If they don't complain, I don't see that there is any avenue to block his taking office, even if the claim about his ineligibility were to be true. I'd be surprised if even one senator challenged Obama's eligibility, although that remains to be confirmed. But my prediction for 2008 and for 2009 is that this claim about him being born in Kenya will not be taken seriously enough by anyone with authority to do something about it, that he even bothers to produce a birth certificate.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 6, 2008 15:58:23 GMT -4
The current constitution was ratified in 1787
Wow, was I wrong about that. No more history discussions from memory.
Is that the scenario you have in mind, or something different?
My point was that since there is no precedent set for this situation there could be some incentive to review the question. If the party of the President elect was in power Congress would likely do nothing and let the process continue thus VP Elect would become President. If not the process would be somewhat questioned by the opposing party. Except under extraordinary circumstances, the VP elect would get the nod as well.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Nov 12, 2008 14:29:19 GMT -4
Oil closed at $59.33/barrel yesterday. Getting closer to Illuminati Dude's prediction that oil will hit $50 before it's over.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 12, 2008 15:08:13 GMT -4
Oil closed at $59.33/barrel yesterday. Getting closer to Illuminati Dude's prediction that oil will hit $50 before it's over. But what will it mean to you in relation to this guy if oil does hit $50?
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Post by gillianren on Nov 12, 2008 16:30:22 GMT -4
Anyway, I thought it was supposed to hit $50 a barrel by the election. So that's failed. McCain didn't win, either.
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