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Post by fiveonit on Mar 2, 2009 1:34:33 GMT -4
I feel that Bart Sibrel's initials are BS for a reason! How's that??
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Post by gillianren on Mar 2, 2009 1:48:08 GMT -4
Raven, that's exactly what I think when the conversation gets down to this level. We get smug and superior when the HBs degenerate into personal attacks, because we feel that it means that they don't have real arguments. It's true that they don't, but bear with me a minute--because we do. The science is true even if, for example, I am self-centered or Jay is supercilious or some other Apollo supporter is a convicted murderer. (I don't know of one, but we move on. I'm also not saying that I'm self-centered or Jay is supercilious. They're just examples; it's why I started with myself and included the one who gets picked on most.) It doesn't matter what the person is like. The HB idea is faulty, and therefore, that should be what gets attacked. We should be above attacking the person; we shouldn't need to.
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Post by macmarkey on Mar 2, 2009 23:43:58 GMT -4
I know that rocks have been given as gifts that are on display in museums in 12 countries - I don't know what countries, but I do know that a rock was given to Russia as a goodwill gift
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Post by gillianren on Mar 3, 2009 3:18:03 GMT -4
Welcome aboard, Macmarkey. You're right, but of course, they're all in on the hoax, right?
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Post by raven on Mar 3, 2009 5:36:36 GMT -4
I know that rocks have been given as gifts that are on display in museums in 12 countries - I don't know what countries, but I do know that a rock was given to Russia as a goodwill gift Yep. And the Russians had their own rock samples retrieved by unmanned probes, a bit over 300 grams, samples from which they gave French and US scientists. And yes, welcome Macmarkey. This forum isn't exactly crawling with members, so things tend to be a little slow. But hey, still waters run deep, right?
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Post by Jairo on Mar 5, 2009 17:30:31 GMT -4
I think this was already answered, but I couldn't find it: how much from the ~380 kg was actually analysed by independent sources?
There is a HB claim that NASA just got a handfull of dust with a probe and gave tinny samples to each scientist, falsely claiming to have a huge suply of it.
I would like to find the right numbers for an accurate answer. Thanks.
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Post by Jason on Mar 5, 2009 18:00:12 GMT -4
What do you mean by "independent sources"?
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Post by Bob B. on Mar 5, 2009 18:12:15 GMT -4
I think this was already answered, but I couldn't find it: how much from the ~380 kg was actually analysed by independent sources? There is a HB claim that NASA just got a handfull of dust with a probe and gave tinny samples to each scientist, falsely claiming to have a huge suply of it. I would like to find the right numbers for an accurate answer. Thanks. The only information I have comes from Jane's Space Directory, 12th Edition, 1996-97. I don't have the book with me right now, but I quoted the book in my web page as follows: "The Apollo missions returned rock and soil samples totaling 842 pounds, comprising 2,196 individual specimens. These specimens have been processed into greater than 97,000 individually cataloged samples. More than 60 laboratories worldwide actively pursue sample studies; some 1,100 samples are sent out to researchers annually."Based on this data, the average size of an individually cataloged sample is about 4 grams. If 1,100 samples at sent out each year, about 4.4 kilograms worth on average, then clearly NASA possesses more than just a tiny handful.
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Post by Jairo on Mar 5, 2009 21:02:57 GMT -4
What do you mean by "independent sources"? I think anything not from USA would be a good parameter.
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Post by Jason on Mar 5, 2009 21:56:27 GMT -4
What do you mean by "independent sources"? I think anything not from USA would be a good parameter. So EVERYONE in the US is compromised?
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Post by Jairo on Mar 6, 2009 10:51:58 GMT -4
I think anything not from USA would be a good parameter. So EVERYONE in the US is compromised? That's the standard for non-american HBs.
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Post by Bob B. on Mar 6, 2009 11:47:34 GMT -4
So EVERYONE in the US is compromised? That's the standard for non-american HBs. That is an irrational standard.
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Post by Jairo on Mar 6, 2009 12:34:13 GMT -4
They are HBs, anyway.
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Post by Kiwi on Mar 7, 2009 0:15:43 GMT -4
I think this was already answered, but I couldn't find it: how much from the ~380 kg was actually analysed by independent sources? ...I would like to find the right numbers for an accurate answer. Thanks. This thread doesn't have figures, but gives a list of rock scientists who had put their names foward prior to the Apollo 11 mission, and mentions an article in a National Geographic magazine about one of those scientists. The trouble is, that in this case he's American. It also mentions an Australian scientist.
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Post by comarre on Mar 8, 2009 9:35:20 GMT -4
That's the standard for non-american HBs. That is an irrational standard. Since samples aren't sent to just anyone, an HB would say that no-one to whom samples are sent is independent.
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