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Post by Ginnie on Mar 19, 2009 18:24:32 GMT -4
The nazi tag (in fiveonit commentary) does get used a lot in an attempt to bolster claims and demonise people. I wonder if they have dug through history and found other business links to the regime and how their lives have interacted with them (in their current form) today? I wonder I said, I shouldn't wonder more like. Not a pop at the businesses today or what happened then, awful time in history and this is not the place. Also not only accepting a rocket scientist picking up moon rocks (I know, I know) but not that said scientist knows anything about rockets. Moving the goal posts. So, would an HB call a VW a "Nazi Car"?
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Post by tedward on Mar 19, 2009 19:06:22 GMT -4
That as well but thinking of certain electronic firms and steel manufacturers etc that were around then and are indeed around today in a global capacity. A lot of which would be hard to avoid, and maybe without knowing a lot of trust placed whereas using that term with a rocket scientist validates (for the person using it) any prejudices for that person. Or am I digging too deep?
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Post by fiveonit on Mar 19, 2009 21:35:10 GMT -4
He's still at it. Another Apollo supporter asked this question...Question: explain how they have ****ing moon rock that was evidence! Or just another lie?hoaxer:Did you know that two years before the Apollo 11 mission, its lead scientist Dr. Werner Van Braun (an nazi scientist) made a trip to Antartica which is a prime area for collection Moon rocks?
ALSO - It is possible to irradiate a rock or put it in a vacuum to get the same results. I posted this..me:I noticed that you're still clinging to that ridiculous claim. I also notice that you still haven't answered my question about the manufacture of these *fake* rocks. Could it be that you don't have an answer for me??
Lunar Meteorites are EXTREMELY rare and could no way account for the HUNDREDS of pounds of moon rocks that Apollo brought back. Plus (AS I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY) they don't even remotely resemble actual moon rocks.
Your FAKE moon rock argument is completely asinine at best! hoaxer:irradiate some rock or put it in a vacuum to get "MOON ROCK" me:OK wise guy these, please tell me...
1: What kind of rock do I start out with? Igneous? Metamorphic? Sedimentary? It doesn't matter?
2: Irradiate it with what? Gamma Rays? Ultra Violet? Infrared? Particle Radiation? Visible light? All the above? None of the above?
3: How does putting the rock in a Vacuum change it?
4: How do I change it's crystalline structure to make it look like it solidified in 1/6th gravity? hoaxer:rent a movie from netflix: "Apollo BS landing" it explains everything
Genre: SF | Adventure | Drama | Comedy Director: Dr. Werner Van "Zeich Hail!" Braun CoDirector: Stanley Kubrik Writer: Arthur C. Clark Tagline: "If you can't make it - FAKE IT" Awards: Albanian academy of arts, no oscars yet Cast: Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Alan Shepard.... Country of origin: USA, Nevada desertme:In other words, you don't know and you're just talking out of your read end. Just as I suspected. hoaxer:GOOGLE explanations of geo.scientist in japan about how NASA FAKED so called " MOON ROCKS". GOOGLE who was realy Dr.Werner Van Braun (an ex nazi member and nasa emploee). GOOGLE and find out about Van Allens Radiation Belt, and why russian, japanese and german scientist state that it is not possible for human being to go trough that belt in order to reach the moon! You are asking from me to explain that in 500 letters limit, and it would take 100 pages. Thanks!me:You haven't even tried to explain anything, even to the slightest extent. Like most hoaxers, you come in these threads making outlandish claims. When someone asks you for evidence and explanations, your rebuttal seems to consist of cutting and pasting links to hoax websites and say "Well I don't know... go look here!"
My assertion that you are clueless in the matter appears to be verified. Another 2 hours of dead silence!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 20, 2009 0:16:24 GMT -4
I wonder how the shadowy figures created all those lunar soil samples? AFAIK, the "lunar meteorites from Antarctica" explanation doesn't explain those. Easy, you just crush a few of them and call it soil.
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Post by laurel on Mar 20, 2009 0:28:54 GMT -4
Easy, you just crush a few of them and call it soil. What about the orange soil samples from Apollo 17? Could you just add some yellow and red food colouring to the crushed meteorites or is the chemical process more complicated?
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Post by tedward on Mar 20, 2009 3:58:36 GMT -4
Interesting from Fiveonit. I don't mind the odd google or other site link to support something but I find you can tell a lot from an explanation in someone's words. That is do they understand what they are talking about. or at least think they do. But when the whole topic is turned over to "you google it" then any credibility that was there has been lost, whether right or wrong.
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Post by Kiwi on Mar 20, 2009 6:30:51 GMT -4
What about the orange soil samples from Apollo 17? Could you just add some yellow and red food colouring to the crushed meteorites or is the chemical process more complicated? Aw, come on! Everyone knows that that trick was played around with and all worked out during the faked Apollo 16 mission so it could be used on the next faked mission. It was orange juice! John Young and Charlie Duke just lurved messing around with it:-- 106:48:05 Duke: And, Tony, I wouldn't give you 2 cents for that orange juice as a hair tonic; it mats it down completely. 106:50:26 Duke: Well, like John said earlier, we're definitely not going to get scurvy; we've got so much orange drink here. 116:58:38 England: Okay. If it's not too late on Charlie's helmet there, the suit people just want to make sure that he washes it out with water to get that orange juice out before he puts that anti-fogging stuff in there (as per checklist page 2-5). 118:25:47 Duke: Okay, my microphones were full of orange juice, and I cleaned them out, and I think I'm okay now. 122:43:41 Duke: (Coughing). Ah, the old orange juice went down wrong. 128:18:58 Young: (Amused) Push on the orange juice and everything will be fine? 128:19:02 England: Yeah, push on the orange juice. Rog. 128:19:04 Young: I'm going to turn into a citrus product is what I'm gonna do. 128:19:09 England: Oh, well; it's good for you, John. 128:19:15 Young: Ever hear of acid stomach, Tony? 128:50:45 Young: (Laughing) I mean, I haven't eaten this much citrus fruit in 20 years! And I'll tell you one thing, in another 12 ****ing days, I ain't never eating any more. And if they offer to sup(plement) me potassium with my breakfast, I'm going to throw up! I like an occasional orange. Really do. (Laughs) But I'll be durned if I'm going to be buried in oranges. 143:05:31 Duke: ...I'm licking the orange juice off (the inside of) my visor. 144:00:58 Duke: This is going to be spectacular!! I can see Wreck, and Trap, and orange juice (on the inside of his helmet). 146:11:43 Young: Every time I read my oxygen gauge, (laughing) I get an earful of orange juice. 165:05:41 Duke: VHF A, Off and B, Off. Okay, "verify Maintain". Okay, go to B. (High pitched tone audible) You should have a tone, a vent flag, a press flag, O2 momentary. And an ear full of orange juice. 165:06:07 Young: And an ear full of orange juice. Yeah. 169:05:46 Young: I just finished my 2 pounds of potassium (meaning the potassium-fortified orange drink in his drink bag). 169:05:51 Duke: You finished your 2 pounds already? 169:05:53 Young: Yeah. I don't know whether I'm driving or sloshing. (Charlie laughs) 169:05:57 England: (Laughing) Okay. We copy that. 169:05:58 Duke: Don't let's go unstable with a fuel slosh mode. 169:06:02 Young: That's right. (Laughing) My fuel slosh problem is getting to be something fierce. 171:04:43 Duke: Okay. Well, that's the last of the old orange juice junk. Just finished it. 172:30:40 Duke: Okay. We had one heck of a time getting our helmets off. It turns out that this orange juice is the best cement you've ever seen. It seeped down in between the seals and the helmet and the (neck) ring, and we couldn't get the thing unlocked without a great effort, but we managed. We're both out now.
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Post by Jason on Mar 20, 2009 11:09:17 GMT -4
It was Tang, of course. Everyone knows Tang was developed for the space program.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 20, 2009 12:00:04 GMT -4
Easy, you just crush a few of them and call it soil. What about the orange soil samples from Apollo 17? Could you just add some yellow and red food colouring to the crushed meteorites or is the chemical process more complicated? Dang, Jason beat me too it. The correct answer is of course that you use Tang Drink Powder which you then turn into glassy beads in your Radiation Oven. The reason there is no water in Lunar soil is because the Tang is powdered, not made up into drink when added.
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Post by laurel on Mar 20, 2009 12:29:29 GMT -4
These explanations are making me thirsty.
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Post by fiveonit on Mar 21, 2009 19:25:37 GMT -4
And of course... there's always one of the *regulars* on youtube to argue with...
michaelstmark: Many "moon rocks" are common volcanic breccias found a' plenty on earth. And why should the moon be any older than the earth? Commonly accepted theory is that the two were once one larger planet during the early stages of formation of the solar system.
Very small amounts only of "moon rock" have been allowed out by NASA , no substantial amount has ever been displayed in public, even under secure and strictly supervised conditions.
me: "And why should the moon be any older than the earth?" No one said it was. The land masses on Earth rest on tectonic plates. Most (All?) of land mass on Earth that existed when the moon was formed has long been eaten up by a subduction zone. Any 8th grade Earth science student could have told you that.
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Post by Obviousman on Mar 21, 2009 19:44:20 GMT -4
That stmark character is an attack dog like straydog. If you raise a point they can't address, they start calling you names, insult you, etc. I saw this with straydog on EF, and you can see it continues on this YT page. I've only seen him on the Jarrah / Jay YT thread, but might search around to who else they like to attack.
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Post by Data Cable on Mar 22, 2009 9:13:59 GMT -4
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Post by fiveonit on Mar 22, 2009 15:12:27 GMT -4
That stmark character is an attack dog like straydog. If you raise a point they can't address, they start calling you names, insult you, etc. ... To be fair, he hasn't attacked me *yet*, but he's certainly not letting it go.. michaelstmark :There are still plenty rocks on earth that are in the same claimed age range as those allegedly found on the moon.
Any 8th grader could have told you that. me:Oh really... can you please tell me where these are found? What type of rock is it? Do they even REMOTELY match what was brought back from the moon? I take it these Earth rocks have no signs of weathering or oxidation? Does their crystalline structure indicate that they were formed in 1/6th gravity?
Can you name me any Geologist that can confirm that they match lunar samples? me:So first you say this.. "And why should the moon be any older than the earth?"
Then when I indicate that any Earth material that age is most likely long gone, you reply... "There are still plenty rocks on earth that are in the same claimed age range"
So which is it? Earth rocks that age do exist? They don't don't? They only exist when you feel it proves your point, and when it doesn't they don't?
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 18, 2010 23:36:58 GMT -4
Haven't posted here in a while, but I didn't want to make anyone irate by Hijacking the Rodin thread on the same subject.
Was in yet another heated debate with a hoaxer about moon rocks. He tried to imply that any (all) studies done on lunar samples can not be trusted since NASA has complete control and also pays for the studies. Utter BS... I know.
It did get me thinking and I was wondering if any of you could answer some questions about how Labs obtain lunar samples. In other words, what is the process in obtaining samples from NASA?
1: What paper work needs to be filled out? I would say it's a given that you would need to (at least) turn in a proposal explaining what your study is about, how long you'll have the samples and what quantity you'll need. What else is needed?
2: Are there any official forms? Are they available for public viewing?
3: Do the Labs need to pay for samples in any way? Not to purchase per se, but as collateral / insurance?
4: What NASA official/group/body has the final say in whether your particular lab can have samples or not?
5: How long (typically) is the waiting period? (Assuming there is one)
Thanks in advance!
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