So, we now we have another image from July 17th 1969 from a different satellite.
Here's the image with ESSA image I used in an earlier post, superimposed on the ATS-3 one:
So we can see that they are definitely different source images, but still recognisably the same weather systems.
Now lets look at the Apollo image from the same day:
Now lets zoom & crop & rotate the high resolution scan of that image:
See any familiar weather patterns?
The source for my ATS-3 photo states that the ATS-3 image is absolutely not the same as the Apollo iamage. Is he right?
Here's the original ATS image, with the Apollo image overlaid with no manipulation, then the same layer twisted and bent to try and get as good a fit as possible, left transparent so you can see the ATS weather patterns.
It should be obvious that exactly the same weather systems are visible, but they have been photographed from a completely different angle. If you look at the other images in the sequence of photographs of the earth as Apollo 11 leaves it behind, you can clearly see that the weather patterns change - the systems are not static.
it's also worth re-iterating that no weather satellite had the kind of image quality available to the Astronauts.
So we have an image taken from space, at a specific point in the trans-lunar coast, where the weather patterns visible in the image are verified by not one, but two different weather satellites. The Apollo images could only have been taken from where they claim they were taken, and the location of the astronauts was monitored by several tracking stations around the world.
The series AS11-44-6547 to AS11-44-6564 is a marvellous set which plays a little like a time-lapse movie in IrfanView. It would be good for the cloud-matching treatment because it was (IIRC) taken with the telephoto lens. Many cloud patterns and most of Australia are visible, and so is the distinctive crater Peek on Mare Smythii.
Peek is a deep, sharp crater of 13km diameter, at 2.6 degrees north, 86.9 degrees east, and has a light ray running past it. It starts off to the right of centre in the series and ends in the bottom right corner.
Another larger, shallower crater with central mountains below the earth also comes into view, but I don't know its name or details as it is illustrated but not mentioned in Antonin Rukl's Atlas of the Moon.
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it's also worth re-iterating that no weather satellite had the kind of image quality available to the Astronauts.
That's an extremely important point. It's already kinda easy to forget, now that we've had digital cameras for the past 10+ years, but before modern, high quality digital imaging the only way to return those kinds of high quality images from space was to physically return them. And very few spacecraft other than manned spacecraft were able to return to earth without burning up. And only the Apollo spacecraft could return from such a high altitude.
Of course a few hoaxers might even know that Lunar Orbiter used film (since it was the best imaging system then available) with onboard development and electronic scanning so that it would not have to be physically returned to earth. But anybody who's ever seen the Lunar Orbiter pictures knows that they left a lot to be desired. While modern CCD cameras can finally beat them, nothing available in the 1960s could even come close to a 70mm Hasselblad.
So let's start at the beginning: a very good place to start.
April 11 (page 47 - 48 of the ESSA 9 satellite images)
Apollo 13 was launched on April 11th 1970. 3 hours after launch, it started on Trans-lunar injection procedures to take it out of Earth orbit, separated from the Saturn IVB stage and exracted and docked the lunar module.
and here is the satellite weather image for that day:
and I've picked 4 images to look at to see if we can prove that the APollo 13 images were taken in space on the appropriate dates.
Why 4? Because when you look at the satellite image it becomes obvious that although they show different parts of the globe, they
were clearly taken on the same day. Two of them are almost identical, but careful examination shows that the clouds have in fact moved round, and therefore are taken at different times, which is very good evidence that they were orbiting the planet.
it should also be obvious from these images that these are whole earth pictures, and therefore can not be in low earth orbit. They are several tens of thousands of miles further out than the low earth orbits claimed by hoax believers.
Thankfully, we can zoom in and see more detail on these when we look at the high resolution versions shown on the Apollo Image Atlas.
Let's first look at the two most similar images, 8590 & 8591:
- a quick look at this overlay shows that indeed there are different clouds appearing and disappearing as the spacecraft moves over it. This is is not a static image stuck on a window. Does it, however, reflect the weather patterns of the day? Let's take a look at 3 of these
4 pictures - I've used arrows to identify key areas:
So, 3 images taken on the same day that show weather patterns matching across the entire surface of the globe.
Let's move on in time to the next set of images.
April 15 (satellite images on page 55-56)
April 15 has a couple of magazines associated with it - magazines 60 & 62:
Although the dates aren't given on the Apollo magazines, image 8725 is the penultimate image at the end of magazine 60, after close up images taken in lunar orbit. Magazine 62 shows images of the improvised lithium hydroxide cannisters used to filter out carbon dioxide and views of the command module taken after the crew retreated to the lunar module. These are therefore after the oxygen tank blow out but before the service module was jetisonned.
How's the weather up there?
Well, first of all let's establish that the earth is still rotating by comparing 8954 with 8725
It clearly is. Now let's see how this compares with satellite images from the 15th
I've not done 8954, partly because (as it is taken dome time before the weather satellite image) there are fewer obvious points of comparison. THe major system over North America is, however, still strikingly and obviously the same.
The image from magazine 59 is 8494, and this image precedes photographs on the magazine of the crippled service module after separation, which is definitely on the 16th. 9014 is after the image in magazine 62 I used earlier, but the CM is still attached to the LM, where all the astronauts are residing. Not exactly definite dating for the latter image, but as we will see, the weather patterns it shows are those of the 16th. More importantly, they are for different parts of the globe.
Here are the satellite images of the 16th:
And here are the apollo images with the weather systems identified.
And just in case anyone says the weather images are all the same, here are the satellite images between the 11th and 16th as a loop:
So - what can we conclude from all this? That Apollo 13 left earth orbit, went around the back of the moon and returned again.
OK so now it's time for Apollo 13. It didn't ever land on the moon, but it did orbit it
To be strictly pedantic about it, Apollo 13 didn't orbit the moon either; it looped around the back in what would be a hyperbolic trajectory.
Fair point well made - excellent pedantry
The main rebuttal at the moment seems to be that NASA must have taken satellite photographs with better satellties than they ahd then, rendered them in photoshop that hadn't been invented yet on computers that hadn't been invented yet using image formats that hadn't been invented yet
But wait, there's more:
More lovely weather analyses to demonstrate that the apollo mission photographs featuring earth were taken when they said they were taken, and now it's Apollo 16's turn.
Apollo 16 was launched on April 16th 1972 and by 4 hours into the mission the astronauts were in trans lunar coast, the LM had been safely extracted from the Saturn IVB, and that part of the launch vehicle had been discarded to impact on the moon later. This image:
was taken after that separation manoevre, as it occurs after photographs of the drifting SIV-B were taken.
Now lets see the satellite images:
and here are the two combined:
A beautiful shot of north America, and even without my arrows pointing out the obvious, the enormous gap in the clouds over Siberia surely demonstrate the obvious: this photo was taken after leaving earth orbit on April 16th.
A few frames further on you get this shot:
This image shows the earth considerably smaller now, but it is still taken on the 16th of April during trans-lunar coast, but what's important is that it shows a completely different part of the globe - this time we're directly above SE Asia. If this is faked somehow, then they certainly kept the scene painters busy:
I did do another comparison of weather patterns for this photo, taken on April 17th:
but while I believe I can find matches to weather systems, it's open to interpretation, so I left it out.
Taken on April the 19th after insertion into lunar orbit but before separation of the lunar module it features the lunar surface as well, and when you zoom in closer there are a couple of striking weather features in the northern hemisphere that we surely must be able to find on the satellite images.
Here are those satellite images:
and here are the two combined, zoomed in on the earth. I've deliberately paused for a moment to admire the earth & moon together:
Whoa! Comparisons from Lunar orbit!!! How awesome is that?!?
Can you slow down the arrows a little bit between comparisons? I can't keep up.
Also, could you provide a link to your stuff at the DIF?
"Show us a photo of either the descent or the ascent rockets firing and the exhaust plume. And exactly how does a space craft fly when "The engine is NOT ON"" -Stelios at the DIF Google search this site
Hmm - it's odd, the arrows always look reasonable when I'm doing them in photoshop and then seem to be much faster on the internet. Probably my laptop straining under the workload! Also, the longer the animation the larger the file size that the forum has to deal with. I take your point tho.
You could try downloading the gifs and that would allow you to look at each frame as long as you have a piece of software that will do that (GIMP might work for that?)
The Icke forum thread has been 'ranted', ie it is visible only to registered members because the debate descended into abuse again.
I fear my using an obscenity towards someone who effectively accused me of fakery may have contributed to that, but frankly he deserved it.
In the meantime I shall carry on! Apollo 14 & 15 next, then possibly 8 & 10. 14 is a tricky one as most of the earth images are thin crescent so there's less to go on.
Apollo 17 would be nice, as would either of the earthrises on Apollo 11, but there don't seem to be any satellite images available, which is a shame. I'm trying to find relevant contacts to make enquiries about them.
One famous image has already been done tho: if you google Tamil Nadu cyclone 1972, it doesn't take long to get links back that point out that it was photographed in the famous blue marble image.
In the top right of the image you can ,make out a swirl of cloud standing on its own. That cyclone (they didn't bother naming them in India at the time) went on to kill 80 people.
I have fond memories of the blue marble image. They used it in my o level geography exam (label key weather features etc etc).
Not sure whether this deserves a whole other thread, or if there is a thread already with such things in, but I like to take sequences of images and run them together.
Here are a few of the Apollo 11 LM rejoining the CSM after the landing:
The images are the high definition ones from the ALSJ - even though only the first and penultimate images in the sequence are listed in the image library, by simply replacing the number in the link you can get other images that are saved are on the server but not listed on the page.