Saturn V rocket needed to be 266 times bigger.

[PhantomWolf]

When the new mission goes to the moon with a rocket that isn't the size of the Empire State building, will they claim it's a hoax because it isn't big enough?

It might not even be as big as the Saturn V from what I've seen so far, though I'm willing to be corrected.

[Al Johnston]

I thought they were going to use two: one for the lander & equipment, one for the crew module...

[echnaton]

If NASA is going to use modified shuttle main engines that means lots of bulky hydrogen in the lower stage. That will make for a big first stage, compared to the Saturn 5.

[Bob B.]

phantomwolf said:

When the new mission goes to the moon with a rocket that isn't the size of the Empire State building, will they claim it's a hoax because it isn't big enough?

It might not even be as big as the Saturn V from what I've seen so far, though I'm willing to be corrected.

The original CaLV design using five SSME in the core stage was just a smidgeon smaller than the Saturn V. According to the ESAS report released in 2005, the CaLV (as it was called before being designated the Ares V) had the following preliminary specs:

Gross Liftoff Weight: 6,393,975 lbm
Overall Height: 357.6 ft

The largest Saturn V/Apollo combination was Apollo 16:

Gross Liftoff Weight: 6,537,238 lbm
Overall Height: 363 ft

Of course they have now redesigned the Ares V to use five RS-68 engines, which are less efficient. The lower efficiency requires adding more propellant and increasing the core stage diameter from 27.6 feet (same at the Shuttle ET) to 33 feet (same as the Saturn V). I haven’t seen any revised specs other than the height remaining at around 358 feet (a limitation of the VAB). I’ve tried to estimate the new mass taking into consideration the engine change. I calculate somewhere around 7,450,000 lbm.

alasdhair said:

I thought they were going to use two: one for the lander & equipment, one for the crew module...

They are. The Ares V will launch the Earth Departure Stage (EDS) and the Lunar Surface Access Module (LSAM). The Ares I will launch the Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV).

[Obviousman]

There was a serious proposal to re-open the F-1 production line for the Orion missions.

[Moon Man]

margamatix said:

If you would care to click on the banner ad entitled "Moon Landing Hoax" ( www.moonmovie.com )at the top of the page, you will see that the intro has changed.

Whereas it did show footage of many of NASA's launch-pad failures, it now features a young lady who will explain to you, using Nazi war criminal turned NASA scientist Wernher von Braun's own calculations, why the Saturn V rocket would have needed to weigh 800,000 tons and been taller than the Empire State Building in NY in order to have reached the moon. The Saturn V rocket weighed 3000 tons

I will stress again, that this is Wernher von Braun's calculation, not Bart Sibrel's.

We heve never been to the moon, or anywhere near it.

You are correct.

The rockets they use to launch a satellite is three times that of the Saturn V.

[dwight]

Here we go again. Woo hoo. Excuse while I really do go and get some vodka, 'cause I am going to need it. I look forward to the standard of this board lowering one more notch.

[Count Zero]

moonman said:

The rockets they use to launch a satellite is three times that of the Saturn V.

What is this rocket called?

[Moon Man]

Delta rockets used to launch satellites

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_rocket

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Delta_EELV_family.png

[AtomicDog]

moonman said:

margamatix said:

If you would care to click on the banner ad entitled "Moon Landing Hoax" ( www.moonmovie.com )at the top of the page, you will see that the intro has changed.

Whereas it did show footage of many of NASA's launch-pad failures, it now features a young lady who will explain to you, using Nazi war criminal turned NASA scientist Wernher von Braun's own calculations, why the Saturn V rocket would have needed to weigh 800,000 tons and been taller than the Empire State Building in NY in order to have reached the moon. The Saturn V rocket weighed 3000 tons

I will stress again, that this is Wernher von Braun's calculation, not Bart Sibrel's.

We heve never been to the moon, or anywhere near it.

You are correct.

The rockets they use to launch a satellite is three times that of the Saturn V.

Three times what? Minty fresh? Fewer cavities? Cuter?

[james]

Ummm the biggest Delta rocket is still smaller than the Saturn, can not carry as much into orbit and has less thrust. Your own link shows this... So what exactly did you mean by, "The rockets they use to launch a satellite is three times that of the Saturn V"? Because as far as I can see, there is nothing about the Delta rocket that out does the Saturn in anything.

[Count Zero]

OK, following your link, it says that the most advanced version (Delta IV) is 253.2 ft high, masses 1,616,800 lb and can lift up to 56,800 lb into Low Earth Orbit. The same resource lists the Saturn V as 363 ft high, massing 6,699,000 lb and able to put 118,000 kg (260,145 lbs) in Low Earth Orbit.

In what way is the Delta "three times that of the Saturn V"?

[Moon Man]

The Delta IV HEAVY out does the Saturn V.

[Count Zero]

In what way? Which statistic?

[sts60]

The rockets they use to launch a satellite is three times that of the Saturn V.

The Delta IV HEAVY out does the Saturn V.

Wrong. Wildly wrong. Would you like to cite the numbers behind this claim, and your sources for those numbers?