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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 17:24:09 GMT -4
If you are able to conclude this, then you are able to give me an estimate of the force applied by the prone astronaut (direction and magnitude) to the standing astronaut, an analysis of the inertial condition of the standing astronaut (since that applies to Newton's third law. . Errrr, no, I just looked at it with my eyes. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 17:14:37 GMT -4
I would like an answer to my question. Bart Sibrel unquestionably profits from his pro-hoax activities. How does that affect your opinion of him? You seemed prepared to impeach my motives as pecuniary. Are you prepared similarly to impeach his? I seriously doubt that Bart Sibrel makes any money to speak of from his videos. Personally, I believe that his view, like mine, is genuinely held. But I can't speak for him- why don't you ask him for yourself? He publishes his email address for all to see. Your last comment is very snide. I stated many posts ago, after one genuine question, that I believed your motives to be untainted by financial motivation. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 16:55:01 GMT -4
Please what? Seriously. Do you deny you're the only one currently (say, in the past few months) participating in these threads who finds it odd? I am currently the only active member of the Apollo.Hoax forum who believes that Apollo was a hoax. That's why I don't have time to reply in detail to the other 200-or-so members of this forum on every single point they raise. But numbers mean nothing. There was a time when the massive majority believed that the Earth was flat. It wasn't then, it isn't now. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 16:34:06 GMT -4
I've watched that clip many times now, and I don't see both his feet leave the ground. This looked like the natural movement of two people on the moon? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 15:53:26 GMT -4
No. No one else here finds anything odd about it; only you. . Oh, please!!! |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 15:14:12 GMT -4
I didn't choose the titles, they were the defaults of the forum and they are based on the number of the posts a user (any user) makes. It is purely a messure quantity of posts, not quality. That means you too, Margamatix, can be a "God". I don't really like the default titles either which is why I intend to customize them to something more related to the subject of the forum... as soon as I can think of something to use. Any suggestions? Now, if you want to contribute something of value to the discussion, rather than just attacking people over titles they did not choose, then please feel free to do so. Now that you have explained how this title came about, I feel that I have wronged Jay. I accept the explanation and apologise to him for any offence caused. For default settings, surely anything would be better than describing someone as "God". I would be embarassed by it myself. As for suggestions, Jay could have simply remained as "Senior Member". If you want to demark members by the amount of postings made, then I would suggest "Mercury, Venus, Earth Mars etc......." |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 15:02:58 GMT -4
Look, we don't need to wait for someone to appear, quoting tables of logarithms. You only need to look at that footage to say that the whole thing stinks.
Regardless of resolution, compression, the presence or absence of a soundtrack or anything else, that footage clearly shows a man being jerked upwards from his midriff, twice, by an unseen third-party pulling on a wire.
This statement, like yours and everybody elses, is here on the internet for anyone to read and judge for themselves. I'm happy to leave it at that.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 14:51:09 GMT -4
For right now, I will just note that I levered myself off the ground, from a kneeling position, using one hand push-off point, and both my feet and my knees came off the ground. According to your statement, what I just did physically impossible. If you were kneeling on the ground with your hand on your computer desk, and you pushed downwards on the desk (or the desk pushed upwards on your hand)........... And both your knees and your feet jerked upwards from the ground, twice, as happened to our friend in the video footage I drew your attention to........ Then yes. You did something physically impossible. Will somebody PLEASE point me in the direction of a film editor able to speed up this footage by a factor of two? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 14:20:05 GMT -4
But is there any reason to ask such a question other than to be inflammatory? Do you have any evidence to support such a not-so-veiled accusation? It is not an accusation. It is a question. For example, I understand from another place that Jay has appeared on television from time to time to discuss Apollo. So he clearly has a closer connection to the whole affair than I do. But he has explained to me that he has no vested interest in the matter, and I am happy to accept his word for that. I do not feel he needed your intervention in this question, since he is obviously capable of speaking on his own behalf. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 14:10:33 GMT -4
But in any case, do you admit now that the astronauts clearly intend to show that one is being helped up by the other, by grasping or pushing on hands?
Yes or no.
.No. The fallen astronaut is on his knees. His knees are the "fulcrum" in a 1st class lever. Applying upward pressure on his hand would not cause his feet to leave the surface under any circumstance. And yet they do. If his feet were the fulcrum, then upward pressure on the effort arm (his hand) would not cause them to leave the surface under any circumstance. And yet they do. If you double the speed of this footage, then I think you'll find it's "Game Over". |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 12:37:23 GMT -4
[ d**n it, will you please respond to people before you start new arguments? Why can't you understand that it's important to bring closure to one debate before starting new ones? Are you this irratic in all aspects of your life? But hang on. The first thread I ever started was entitled "Moving in one-sixth gravity" so if anything, I'm doing what you asked of me and seeing a thread through. I'm afraid you aren't going to get anywhere with the TV thing either. I watched the first part of "Space Race" on BBC this week, and this was the first time I have watched anything on a television for over a month. I would be interested in seeing this footage doubled in speed. Any takers? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 12:11:30 GMT -4
Thanks for the link. The motion of the astronaut's lower body is exactly the same, of course- in that both of his feet leave the "lunar surface", entirely against the laws of physics. The action of the assisting astronaut does not provide an equal and opposite reaction.
But hey- there's something else! Look at the footage immediately after this bogus manoeuvre. The newly-righted astronaut drops the bag in which he was collecting rocks.
Does this bag fall to the surface as though it was in an environment of one sixth gravity? What do you think?
If anybody is able to edit this type of film footage, I would be absolutely fascinated to see this footage played at double speed- ie restoring it to the original speed as though the speed of the film was halved after it was filmed.
Any offers?
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 11:12:46 GMT -4
No, I won't. You personally are making specific claims. Therefore you personally are responsible for supporting them. I hadn't made any claim whatsoever on this thread. Therefore, I can't see any reason why my name needed to be invoked on this thread, or any reason why I should be criticised for having not replied to posts on this thread. Are your beliefs and your funding interconnected? The new designation below your user name certainly gives an adequate idea of your own self-delusion and conceit. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 11:04:03 GMT -4
If you are so interested in showing us something "quite clearly", why don't you make use of the higher-resolution video? . If you would care to direct me to the url for it, I will certainly be only too pleased to take a look. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 5:33:38 GMT -4
Look, I have explained to you that my time is limited, but despite this, PeterB has seen fit to start a new thread, directly addressed to me, on the subject of radio, a subject in which I have never professed to have any specialist knowledge. As I said, I will look into his claims if and when I have the time. Now this thread too seems to have turned into an "I'm obsessed with Margamatix" thread, despite the fact that I have not contributed to it before or offered any opinion whatsoever on Bart Sibrel's 5 to 1 claim. Would you all please keep your discussions on a general level, rather than repeatedly addressing posts to me personally. Meanwhile, if you would care to look at this footage again, www.ufos-aliens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/apollofilm.rmspecifically the footage which starts at 55 seconds, you can see that this "astronaut" is quite clearly being jerked up on a wire |
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