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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 9:03:29 GMT -4
Given the Bart Sibrel's inaccuracy about the 5:1 claim, do you find him a trustworthy, honest, and competent source? I don't know anything about the 5-1 claim, so how can I judge anything from it? If you are trying to say "Do you believe that man has walked on the moon?", then the answer is "No. I don't believe that man has walked on the moon". |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 8:40:44 GMT -4
The question has nothing to do with any one specific claim made by Bart Sibrel. Yes it does. This is the question. "Sibrel's 5:1 superiority claim, which has been thoroughly debunked in this very thread. Does he still believe Sibrel's claim?" It has everything to do with one specific claim. Bart Sibrel's 5-1 superiority claim. As quoted above. But if you still can't see that, then with all due respect, I can't see the point of us wasting any more of each others time Bob. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 8:29:53 GMT -4
I'm asked "Do you still believe in Bart Sibrel's 5-1 superiority claim". I reply that I have never even heard of any 5-1 superiority claim, so am unable to comment on it. And that's "evasion"  |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 8:26:09 GMT -4
Bart Sibrel is simply one person who believes, as I do, that the Moon landings were faked. I have repeatedly drawn your attention to the video footage which clearly shows Charlie Duke being pulled upwards on a wire, and as far as I know (given that I have never watched any of them), this footage does not appear in any of Sibrel's videos.
I have also drawn your attention to the fact that doubling the speed of Apollo footage quite clearly shows that the "astronauts" are moving in 1/1 gravity, and as far as I know, BS has never mentioned that either.
Of couse, I may be wrong, and I am willing to stand corrected, because the simple truth is that I have never seen any of Bart Sibrel's videos
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 7:39:30 GMT -4
So you are saying you have never believed anything Bart Sibrel has said? Oh my giddy aunt. We are specifically talking about this1. Sibrel's 5:1 superiority claim, which has been thoroughly debunked in this very thread. Does he still believe Sibrel's claim? What does he think the facts, which were not hard to dig out, say about Mr. Sibrel's competence and/or integrity? And whether I do or do not, or have or have not believed in believed in any other claim made by Bart Sibrel is totally irrelevant to sts60's fabricated statement.I have never made any statement whatsoever about any 5-1 superiority so I fail to see why I am being asked about it. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 7:20:28 GMT -4
You weren't asked if you made the claim, or even if you agreed with it, you were asked if with the numbers showing him so so wrong, whether you still believe him How can you ask me if I still believe it when I never said if I believed it in the first place? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 6:58:31 GMT -4
OK, now to deal with the second point. 1. Sibrel's 5:1 superiority claim, which has been thoroughly debunked in this very thread. Does he still believe Sibrel's claim? What does he think the facts, which were not hard to dig out, say about Mr. Sibrel's competence and/or integrity? Where have I made any mention of a Russian superiority claim of 5-1 or any other ratio, or any mention of Bart Sibrel's claim of any such ratio? And when you have found this, where have I made any statement to the effect that I either believe or disbelieve it? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 28, 2005 16:14:30 GMT -4
For margamatix's convenience, I am repeating six particular claims he has posted and which have been debunked. I look forward to his acknowledging some or all of these when he has some spare time: 5. margamatix's repetition of Sibrel's claim that the Saturn had to be 266 times bigger than it actually was Let's start off with this one. This was Wernher von Braun's claim, not Bart Sibrel's who merely flagged up Wernher von Braun's claimHappy with that? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 18:19:13 GMT -4
I must have missed that. Could you give me the url? Reply #67 on page 5 of this thread. OK, so you watched a DVD video of Station 8 on a 52" TV at 1.5 x normal speed. But how does that help me? What's the url? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 18:14:42 GMT -4
Oh Margamatix, for heaven's sake. It was private in the sense that it involved only Jay and Bart's ex-wife, . I've never been to America, but I understand that it is quite a large country with a large population.. So what's the story here? Did JayUtah bump into Bart Sibrel's ex-wife at the shopping mall or what? Tell you what, perhaps it would be better if we left it to Jay to explain how he came to be speaking to the ex-wife of the main opponent of his theories. |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 17:45:55 GMT -4
Evidence?What evidence do I need or should I have for private conversations? . It was a private conversation? But I thought you just posted the full details of it on the internet? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 17:44:06 GMT -4
I have seen the speed of Apollo footage increased by a factor of 2 before, on a BBC programme investigating the possibility that it was all faked. For me, this was perhaps the "defining moment", since it became immediately clear how this piece of footage was produced. ...he says, as he completely ignores the post where someone watched the full-length video at higher speed and observed that the arms were moving too fast. Perhaps I didn't state it clearly enough; I will do so now: The motion of the arms rules-out the possibility that the video was slowed down.I must have missed that. Could you give me the url? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 16:13:15 GMT -4
Thanks Martin, I will have a look. I'm sure it can't be too difficult to take a piece of film and then double its play speed, but its not something I have ever done before so I don't know where to begin.
I have seen the speed of Apollo footage increased by a factor of 2 before, on a BBC programme investigating the possibility that it was all faked. For me, this was perhaps the "defining moment", since it became immediately clear how this piece of footage was produced.
Of course, I felt a complete fool for having been taken in for so long. But you move on, don't you?
Many on this forum claim to be highly trained in photography, and I'm sure someone will volunteer to take on this simple job very soon.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 17, 2005 15:23:22 GMT -4
If that is your argument then you have the burden of proof to support it. Yes, of course. I contend that if the speed of this footage was doubled, then it would be obvious that it was filmed on Earth. But the burden is on me to prove that point. I do not know how to double the speed of film taken from the internet. If anyone could give me advice on how to do this, I would be grateful, and would publish the results for all to see, regardless of which side of the argument the new footage supported. Incidentally, I can also point you in the direction of footage showing Gene Cernan running as fast as he can while on the moon (and singing a song to boot) , but moving no further or higher than he would on Earth. Would you like to see it? |
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Post by margamatix on Sept 16, 2005 17:46:09 GMT -4
That is not true. I can now reveal my source -- Bart Sibrel's ex-wife. Evidence? |
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