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Post by svector on Dec 8, 2007 7:46:45 GMT -4
Of course I knew that because, apart from being a paid NASA shill, I also freelance as an upaid sasquatch/bigfoot disinformation agent/shill. Purely voluntary that one though. Interesting. I find myself in the odd position of defending the conspiracy theory as it relates to that event. I got bits and pieces of the story as a boy from my dad, who knew both Patterson and Hieronimus, and I've always been curious about how the scheme came about. Anyway, I know it's off-topic here, so stay tuned to my YT channel.....
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Post by gillianren on Dec 8, 2007 14:01:49 GMT -4
I do find it a little curious that you felt it necessary to start an entire thread to ask this question. A simple PM never crossed your mind? Keep it open and aboveboard for the HBs. If it's in a thread, everyone gets the answer.
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Post by reynoldbot on Dec 9, 2007 3:21:15 GMT -4
Why did Gray not file for copyright infringement against svector if he and Jarrah were both using the footage? Because I contacted Mark before I started my project and discussed using his footage. As far as I know, Jarrah did not. Jarrah also made potentially libelous accusations against Mark Gray and Spacecraft Films which he could not substantiate. I do find it a little curious that you felt it necessary to start an entire thread to ask this question. A simple PM never crossed your mind? To be honest, I never thought about it. I'm having a spirited conversation with Jarrah about it on youtube. He makes a claim, I ask him to back it up with some evidence, and he calls me a dimwit or something and then calls you and mark gray (and he always brings up jay for some reason) liars.
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Post by svector on Dec 9, 2007 4:20:14 GMT -4
Keep it open and aboveboard for the HBs. If it's in a thread, everyone gets the answer. There's already been a thread about it. That's what the search function is for.
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Post by svector on Dec 9, 2007 5:45:16 GMT -4
To be honest, I never thought about it. I'm having a spirited conversation with Jarrah about it on youtube. He makes a claim, I ask him to back it up with some evidence, and he calls me a dimwit or something and then calls you and mark gray (and he always brings up jay for some reason) liars. You're wasting your time engaging Jarrah White in conversation. He, like so many HB's, made up his mind long ago that he isn't interested in anything as boring or mundane as facts. I've more or less forgotten about him, but it is fun to occasionally watch one of his cute videos to see which of my editing techniques he's decided to emulate.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 9, 2007 11:30:45 GMT -4
Jarrah is noise. Unless bitter, unshakable denial amuses you, leave him to his little corner to cuss and fume. He probably still thinks Svector and I are the same person.
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Post by Obviousman on Dec 9, 2007 15:55:35 GMT -4
And he probably thinks he is James Bond.
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Post by dwight on Dec 9, 2007 16:19:44 GMT -4
He can't be. Everyone knows Sean Connery _is_ James Bond. (Well actually, Barry Nelson may hold precedence claim...)
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Post by Al Johnston on Dec 9, 2007 17:42:55 GMT -4
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Post by reynoldbot on Dec 9, 2007 21:47:43 GMT -4
Jarrah is noise. Unless bitter, unshakable denial amuses you, leave him to his little corner to cuss and fume. He probably still thinks Svector and I are the same person. I just noticed that nearly all the comments on that page were supportive of the video, and I wanted to throw a monkeywrench into that so people seeing the video may at least get a taste of the other side of the equation. Plus, I have to admit that it is pretty fun to watch him squirm when I ask for him to substantiate his claims. I haven't heard him accuse svector of being you yet, but I have heard him make completely irrelevent attacks on you. Sorry to bring up something that's already been discussed, guys. I did a search before starting the thread but I guess I didn't look hard enough into the relevant threads.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 15, 2007 8:52:42 GMT -4
Why did Gray not file for copyright infringement against svector if he and Jarrah were both using the footage? Because I contacted Mark before I started my project and discussed using his footage. As far as I know, Jarrah did not. Jarrah also made potentially libelous accusations against Mark Gray and Spacecraft Films which he could not substantiate. I figured this was the case. As usual, Jarrah only tells other people his version of what happened, while leaving out other details. If Jarrah ever is confronted in court over anything, chances are, he'll wind up being guilty of perjury. I for one am glad this info is public. It helps set the record straight for anyone that has knowledge of this event and wants the real truth.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 15, 2007 8:57:04 GMT -4
Jarrah is noise. Unless bitter, unshakable denial amuses you, leave him to his little corner to cuss and fume. He probably still thinks Svector and I are the same person. He does. Someone (I belive Straydog) thinks Phil Plait and another YouTube user are also the same person. It is laughable. Their arguements are debunked, and their only reply to to accuse YouTube users of being the same person?
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Post by reynoldbot on Dec 17, 2007 6:10:09 GMT -4
Right now I am trying my best to get Jarrah to show me the text in Collins' book that purports a doctored image to be an official mission roll photograph. He is doing everything he possibly can to avoid the question. I'm also asking him to provide calculations to support his radiation "theories". It's really fun to watch him stumble over himself trying to dodge the issue. I figure as long as I keep asking for proof over and over, he will continue to look more and more like a fool.
He keeps referencing a paper by John Mauldin (or Maudlin). Does anybody have a link to the paper? Jarrah keeps cherrypicking random quotes and I'd like to know the context in which he is quoting from, and I'm not finding much on google.
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Post by Czero 101 on Dec 17, 2007 7:19:16 GMT -4
There's some info and other HB debate here: www.defendingthetruth.com/conspiracy-theories/1186-faked-moon-landing-14.htmlThe book that Mauldin wrote (Prospects for Interstellar Travel - American Astronautical Society (May 1992) ISBN-10: 0877033455) can be found on most online bookseller websites, although it seems to be out of stock just about everywhere. Maybe it'll be in a library somewhere? Anyways, the 6 feet of radiation shielding that Mauldin referenced in his book and that Ralph Rene and Jarrah White (amongst many others) seem to always get hung up on was for a generational interstellar ship that would need protection from radiation as well as particulate matter on a long journey to another solar system. On a journey such as that, the ship is not protected from harsh interstellar radiation by our sun's heliosphere, plus the ship would be traveling for decades or even centuries, rather then the roughly 2 weeks the later Apollo missions were in flight for. Cz
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 17, 2007 10:46:50 GMT -4
Right now I am trying my best to get Jarrah to show me the text in Collins' book that purports a doctored image to be an official mission roll photograph.
James Oberg offered Ralph Rene $10,000 for exactly that evidence. Rene has so far been unable to collect on that offer.
He keeps referencing a paper by John Mauldin (or Maudlin). Does anybody have a link to the paper?
It's a book, not a paper. Although Mauldin mentions cislunar space a few times in , the bulk of the book (and its predictions and computations) is about interstellar travel.
An academic library should have a copy of it.
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