Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Post by Al Johnston on Jun 27, 2007 18:01:26 GMT -4
As with many things, The Name of the Rose is better in book form, although the producers did a fine job of the adaptation.
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Post by 3onthetree on Jun 29, 2007 3:52:22 GMT -4
Congratulations Rocky. One post and you got a full page of ad hominem attacks. Is it a record here? I doubt it.
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Post by BertL on Jun 29, 2007 4:09:32 GMT -4
I haven't made an ad hominem, 3onthetree. I said I was interested to rocky explaining the conspiracy theory himself instead of letting a video do it.
So, rocky, about that explanation...
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Post by ineluki on Jun 29, 2007 5:31:34 GMT -4
Since Rocky doesn't know much about space, the only way he can try to make a case that space science is bogus is to claim that all science is bogus. And his source for "scientists lie" is the statement of a scientist...
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Post by gwiz on Jun 29, 2007 6:04:57 GMT -4
Congratulations Rocky. One post and you got a full page of ad hominem attacks. Is it a record here? I doubt it. If you want to see a whole string of ad homs, read rocky's posting history: Rocky: Look at this video. Us: So-and-so says this, which refutes the video. Rocky: They could be lying.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jul 3, 2007 16:36:32 GMT -4
Appearently, anyone that doesn't agree with Rocky's world view is potentially lying.
If that isn't being paranoid, I don't know what is.
Glad the guy's not an engineer. Imagine!
"Hmm, got a technical manual here, but I don't think what it says reflects reality. The authors could be lying."
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Post by 3onthetree on Jul 5, 2007 23:35:37 GMT -4
Well I think I can see where He's coming from, It's quite simple to understand that the so called experts are usually full of crap. That to know the truth of things you can't rely on authority because they hold themselves above the truth. That's why this is such an interesting little forum as the majority here hold the opinion that all truth stems from authority and dissenters are a pack of HB Psychotic conspiracy nut jobs. When whistle-blowers come forward in any field they are instantly vilified, especially in the field of Nuclear energy and depleted uranium weapons. There are big bucks at stake here as well as a nasty little war winning application that the US and Britain have had no reluctance to use in the most gutless and bloodthirsty manner.
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Post by nomuse on Jul 5, 2007 23:43:37 GMT -4
I guess the idea of "trust but verify" slipped past you?
I don't have to "trust" what NASA claims because I can verify parts of it. Maybe only small parts, maybe quite imperfectly, but when I come up with something I can test myself, whether it is taking a picture of stars or calculating an orbit, the results I get are pretty durn close to what NASA claims. So I have at least some reason to believe those things I am at the moment unable to verify more directly are also accurate.
Another thing to ponder. Everyone is expert in _something_ (if that something is only the contents of their own refrigerator, say, or what they dreamt last night). With that brush you aim at the AEC you also tar the local auto mechanic, your dentist, the greengrocer, the model railroad enthusiast, the experience taxi driver, the marathon runner........
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Post by 3onthetree on Jul 6, 2007 0:58:37 GMT -4
That's trust mate.
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Post by nomuse on Jul 6, 2007 1:06:39 GMT -4
That's EARNED trust. The distinction seems to escape you.
It's also a "trust" that comes of never, no matter how deeply I probe nor how random the question I ask, finding either a place where the story becomes inconsistent OR a wall that says "look no further; everything beyond this point can not be discussed, analyzed, or otherwise questioned."
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furi
Mars
The Secret is to keep banging those rocks together.
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 1:26:44 GMT -4
are these the same claims at the mass amount of DU bombs in Iraq are and the middle east etc are being used for secret nookleary stuff
one thing I always though of depleted uranium, was that it was by definition opposite to enriched uranium, so is exactly the sort of material you don't want any where near your fission reaction because it hoovers up neutrons (unless you are using it as a tamper or shield). if you happen to know a way of getting DU into a usable fissile state without the aid of an enrichment process (rendering the material not DU) I would like to hear your theories (also excluding fast breeder reactors)
the reason I italicised bombs, is that DU as a weapon material is best used as a kinetic round DU APFSDS or Rapid fire cannon APC(or similar) dropping DU from aircraft to accelerate under gravity wouldn't really be utilising the material fully, I suppose with a decent terminal or accurate stabilisation you could use it in a kinetic fashion, but the velocities wouldn't exactly match muzzle velocities of a chally or aircraft cannon.
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Post by nomuse on Jul 6, 2007 2:56:15 GMT -4
From what I've read I'd be scared of the following effects of DU, in order; being shot at with it, fire, toxicity...and down at the bottom is radioactivity (as an alpha emitter, it would have to get into my bloodstream to be effective.) It doesn't improve the situation in a former battlefield, but I'd hardly call it the greatest problem left behind after the shooting stops.
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Post by 3onthetree on Jul 6, 2007 8:42:52 GMT -4
From what I've read I'd be scared of the following effects of DU, in order; being shot at with it, fire, toxicity...and down at the bottom is radioactivity (as an alpha emitter, it would have to get into my bloodstream to be effective.) It doesn't improve the situation in a former battlefield, but I'd hardly call it the greatest problem left behind after the shooting stops. Since you're in reading mode I thought you might be interested in this. Don't worry It is balanced although it is from 2003. www.vsasf.org/dumyths.pdfI must say what a great idea it is to use radioactive waste as a weapon, there can't be any ill effects from such a thing. It's good clean U-258, and friends.
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furi
Mars
The Secret is to keep banging those rocks together.
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 9:27:16 GMT -4
It seems a good piece, and well sourced and indexed. Most of my aprehension for reading DU articles is that a lot of the time they seem to be a little bit hazy on facts or will stick to it quite well and then Slip in a super porky, then continue to use this to extrapolate data for the remainder of the article.
I would still definately leave nomuse list of hazards in the same order, it is mostly the heavy metal toxicity that is an issue. imagine the uproar if the DU AP rounds had been used against DU Laced Chobham armour or similar. it maybe that DU eventually gets discharged from the military the same manner as White phosporous,
A similar argument could also be raised for other materials Lead,copper, aluminium, Titanium ,Phenol Plastics, Fuel, Nitrogen waste etc, in the long term relative soil toxicity from Heavy metal poisoning specifically from DU, would be one of the lesser effects of any conflict, and cries for Genocide specifically for the use of DU would be like calling for Phenocide (? Word) to the manufacture of Fridges, and ignoring all other causes. Genocide I don't believe fits in this case, A claim for a clean up op maybe.
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furi
Mars
The Secret is to keep banging those rocks together.
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 9:32:53 GMT -4
I must say what a great idea it is to use radioactive waste as a weapon, there can't be any ill effects from such a thing. It's good clean U-258, and friends. Your riding a bit low to the ground there, are you sure you aren't smuggling in extra neutrons, like 20 say. 238U is also Natural Uranium, not specifically Waste products, Lead is also a common Nuclear Waste Product of Uranium, and so are many many other Elements and Isotopes, some are Stable and some are not.
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