Where's NASA

[inconceivable]

Are there any threads that have actual NASA employees discussing these hoaxes? Are they bound by some sort of confidentiality agreement? With all of the NASA employees out there one would think they would be all over this, with proof, etc. But all we have are self proclaimed experts and I will agree they are very intelligent, brite and forethcoming>3 112,.e4

[spacecraftfilms]

Nearly all of the NASA employees who worked during the lunar missions are now retired, and sadly many are no longer with us. Having interviewed many over the years, I have found that they find the hoax nonsense so ridiculous as to be unworthy of their time.

And frankly I don't blame them.

Interestingly enough, you don't consider those who perpetuate the hoax stuff to be "self-proclaimed experts?"

[LunarOrbit]

Would you believe a NASA employee if they said the Moon landing really happened? I'm betting the answer is no, so why should they waste their time?

[inconceivable]

I was just thinking about this lately and it doesn't make sense. They either are not allowed, or are scared to, or like you said don't care to waste their time. I'm not sure if I've ever read anything on any site from NASA employees. Is there anyone here that is NASA employee? I can understand people trying to keep their anonymity.

[spacecraftfilms]

Dec 14, 2008 12:41:30 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

I'm not sure if I've ever read anything on any site from NASA employees.

There are thousands and thousands of pages of material that is available, from NASA employees, about the moon landings, from creating the technology that made it possible to the mountains of data NASA employees generated documenting the missions through technical reports, summaries, etc.

They have already spoken about the moon landings... through actual factual data. Just because you don't believe it doesn't then obligate them to spend their time answering nonsense.

The record is there. They have spoken. They stand by it. I realize the facts don't matter to hoax believers, but the facts are there just the same.

[Bob B.]

Let's look at this from the standpoint of pure statistics. There are about 1.5 billion Internet users worldwide, yet there are only about 20 or so of us on this forum who are regular Apollo defenders. NASA has about 18,000 employees*, so if we assume the same ratio, we should expect to see 0.00024 NASA employees here. None, therefore, sounds just about right, statistically speaking.

* Civil service employees only; does not included contractors. I assume, inconceivable, you don't want to count contractors since you've already discounted the fact that we have members here who've worked indirectly for NASA under contract. Also note that Jim Oberg, who is a major opponent of the moon hoax, is a former NASA employee.

[Ranb]

Dec 14, 2008 12:21:35 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

.....With all of the NASA employees out there one would think they would be all over this, with proof, etc......

Imagine if someone asked you to participate in a discussion about whether or not your wife's children were actually yours or not. Would you consider the discussion to be beneath your dignity? Or would you respond with DNA tests that your detractors would just dismiss out of hand because it does not support their position?

Some of the NASA people consider Apollo to be their baby. Now some HB pops up to claim they hoaxed the moon landings and the only thing the HB's have to support their BS is lies and ignorance.

Maybe if the HB's had just one real piece of evidence that supports the hoax, a NASA employee might consider it worth their while to respond.

So how many NASA employees have you invited to this forum or any other forum devoted to discussing the HB claims? If it is none, then why do you care?

Ranb

[frenat]

Dec 14, 2008 12:41:30 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

I was just thinking about this lately and it doesn't make sense. They either are not allowed, or are scared to, or like you said don't care to waste their time. I'm not sure if I've ever read anything on any site from NASA employees. Is there anyone here that is NASA employee? I can understand people trying to keep their anonymity.

There is a regular poster on unexplained-mysteries.com that works for NASA. As for those that worked on Apollo, as already mentioned, most are either retired or dead. Of those still alive they would be older and many older people just don't spend that much time on the Internet if at all.

[tedward]

Personally I would have this opinion. If it were me don't forget, not speaking for anyone else.

I would not care what a few people thought otherwise. I would have been part of one huge engineering project that succeeded several times. Whatever part I might have played my peers and myself knew what happened. We saw what went on. We did the sums. Later on down the line someone will deny it and say the Van allen belt would fry the people or some such theory. What do they know? They were not there. Me and my mates were and we did it, no one can take it away from us.

End of speculation.

But as pointed out, they have spoken to some extent in the information left behind. If you look at the documents on the history section on the NASA web site, you will find many have references to names etc.

Here is one to start you off.
Link

[laurel]

Inconceivable, NASA's Oral History Project is very extensive.

www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/oral_histories/participants.htm

For some reason the links don't seem to be working right (that might just be my stubborn computer though). But if you use the site's Search function and type in the person's name and the words "Interview Transcript," you should be able to read the interview with them.

By the way, suggesting that NASA employees "are not allowed, or are scared to" talk about their experiences working on Apollo is somewhat paranoid if you don't have any evidence for this.

[LunarOrbit]

Maybe NASA employees just assume that the majority of people around the world recognize how ridiculous the hoax theory is and don't think it is necessary to respond to it directly. I agree that just putting the facts out is enough.

[dwight]

Geez Inc,
Inc,

You should know that its as easy as p155 to get the phone numbers and ask them yourself. But be prepared to have your ear talked off for at least 2 hours per call.

LO if this is a seagull post, can we maybe get a ban in effect? Heck if the shoe fits...

[sts60]

Are there any threads that have actual NASA employees discussing these hoaxes?

I've seen one or two either here or on BABB/BAUT.

Are they bound by some sort of confidentiality agreement?

No. Almost all of the Apollo record is in the public domain anyway.

With all of the NASA employees out there one would think they would be all over this,

Why would NASA employees be that much more likely than other space enthusiasts, including contractor personnel, about arguing with the relatively few people who believe the Apollo landings were faked?

with proof, etc.

NASA has been providing proof for about half a century, including the precursor programs. That is by law (dissemination of taxpayer-funded science, engineering, and managerial knowledge). You don't really know much about this, do you?

But all we have are self proclaimed experts and I will agree they are very intelligent, brite and forethcoming>3 112,.e4

I have been a practicing space engineer for seventeen years, and I work and have worked with and for a number of Apollo engineers. Does that count? Others here have considerable (or greater, *cough*JayUtah*cough*) experience in similar or other relevant fields, or have demonstrated self-accumulated expertise in various areas of Apollo. Are you challenging the collective expertise of this board? If so, in what area? If you claim that lack of NASA civil servants among the current board members makes a material difference in the quality of answers here, how, exactly?

[Ginnie]

Holy Cow, I thought we just spent a few years denying that we worked for NASA...

It seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't::
If you work for NASA then you're a NASA shill...
If you DON'T work for NASA then you aren't qualified...
WTF?

,,,anyway, for what it's worth, please read the following post by Mike Dinn, who worked in Tracking and communications in Canberra during the Apollo missions:
apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=2022&page=1

Here's something I wrote a few years ago on the subject of debunking the hoax, from just a Telecomms point of view, especially overseas involvees. I was one of those:

The Apollo "hoax"
Tracking and Communications Considerations

There was a worldwide network of tracking ships, aircraft and ground stations (the Manned SpaceFlight Network) providing communications with the Apollo spacecraft. If there was a hoax then the many people involved would have had to have been either part of it, or taken in by it. Most of these were not even US nationals, let alone US government conspirators. There were 170 Australians in Canberra directly involved, for instance.

In either case, they had to be receiving radio signals which corresponded to spacecraft going to, orbiting, at and coming from, the moon. The signals would have had to be coming from the right part of the sky for a lunar mission, and to incorporate the correct Doppler shifts and delays for such a trajectory. The antenna pointing angles would have had to be good to within a fraction of a degree because of the narrow beamwidth (0.3 deg) at the frequency used (2.3GHz). If any of these parameters had been incorrect it would have been obvious to the tracking operators, as well as the many personnel at Houston receiving and analysing the data

It's hard even today to try to visualise how this could be done but let's try. You would have to put an unmanned transmitting spacecraft on the right trajectory – there is no way of simulating a radio signal of something doing a lunar mission other than an actual transmitter on a spacecraft – NO WAY.

This signal had to be modulated in some way with voice, telemetry and TV. It could have been done by transmitting from the earth and relaying from the hoax spacecraft, but with great difficulty. There would have had to have been at least three ground stations to do the surreptitious transmitting, at least two outside the US, to provide communications 24hr per day. And the faked voice, telemetry and TV would have had to have been transmitted from the source (Area 51?) out to these stations without anybody in the world being aware of it. Even if remotely possible within the US, highly unlikely overseas. All of this relaying would have been doubling the expected delays – again obvious to the operators.

And the whole system would have to be interactive so that the origin of the signals on earth would respond to commands and voice sent from the (genuine) ground stations and relayed via the fake spacecraft (more than one) to the hoax ground stations – wherever they were – and again by some means back to Area 51.

It should be obvious, then, that a hoax is highly unlikely, if not impossible, purely from the point of view of Tracking and Communications, let alone any others. There are many non-US nationals (aliens?!) still around who are proud to have been part of one of (US) man's greatest achievements, and take the hoax assertions as a stupid affront.

Mike Dinn – Canberra – November 2002
(One of those)


Now, PLEASE READ it. And after you have read it, please try to give some explanation on how Mike and his co-workers were fooled by NASA. And if you think he's in on the hoax, then PM him and tell him so to his face (so to speak).

Here's a link to Mike's profile: www.honeysucklecreek.net/people/dinn.html

[JayUtah]

But all we have are self proclaimed experts...

No, we have actual experts. NASA is not the fount of all space knowledge in the United States. Most activity in space is commercial and carried out by private and publicly owned companies. There's where I do business.

The self-proclaimed experts you're thinking of are the conspiracy theorists who suddenly declare themselves to be photographic analysis or space experts, but who never did a single thing before becoming conspiracy theorists.