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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 3:02:52 GMT -4
A note from LunarOrbit: Since Moon Man has not been back for over a week I guess I might as well move this thread into the public section of the forum and let you guys provide a response. -- LO
There are a number of pictures that show shadows and impossible light angles. The are a number of footprints that lead to nowhere or only consist of one footprint. The are pictures of the rover that have no tire tracks behind the wheels. I have not viewed all of the Apollo picture collection but the ones I have viewed appear to be bogus. I will post some pictures and point out the oddities and allow you to make up your own mind. This is a famous shot. Why are there two shadows in the footprint..? There is a shadow at the bottom and one at the top. The footprint in straight down in the dust. There is no dragging of the back foot when this footprint was made. There is no dragging at the top of the print when the astronaut stepped forward. Whoever made this print simply stepped straight down and lifted his foot straight up. No one on earth walks like this. The astronauts are said to have hopped when they walked. They certainly were not hopping when this print was made. Where is the other footprint..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 4:16:21 GMT -4
Take a close look at the shadow under the LM where I have placed a yellow dot. The light is coming from right to left, as evidenced by the shadow on the jettison bag. You can see the exhaust nozzle is the middle of the underside of the LM and the diameter of the LM is 13.8 feet. The LM descent module has an octagonal shape. Where is the shadow from the octagon descent module..? What has created the shadow where I have placed the yellow dot..? It's certainly not from the octagon descent module, as the light is coming from right to left. Why are the words United States lit up when they are in the shaded side of the LM..? They should be dark and unseen. Why is the front of the jettison bag lit up when the front of it is in a shadow..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 4:34:13 GMT -4
How is it possible for the inside leg of the astronaut to be lit up when the light is coming from the other direction, as evidenced by the astronauts shadow.? Why is the moon surface so brightly lit up to the right of the astronaut when it is not lit up in the near distance behind him..? Since when does the sun shine brighter in one spot and not another..? You can see one footprint in going horizontally in front of the astronaut. Where is the second footprint and why is there no footprint step to the right if the astronaut who made this print was walking..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 4:49:27 GMT -4
How is it possible that the front of the astronaut is lit up when the light is coming from behind him, as evidenced by the shadow..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 4:54:12 GMT -4
How is it possible to have two completely different shaow angles..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 10:13:47 GMT -4
Did you know a one footed big foot walked on the moon..? If not, now you do. Explain this!
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 10:18:10 GMT -4
Why is the front of the lander leg lit up when the light source is behind it..? Why is the moon surface so bright in one spot..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 10:23:44 GMT -4
Why is the front of the jettison bag visible if it's in the shadow..? Why is the front of the lander leg visible when it's also in a shadow..? Why are the words United States visible if they are on the shadowed side..? Why is the peg beside the lander leg casting a shadow that is so much longer then the jettison bag..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 23:12:47 GMT -4
Why is the moon dust in front of the lander a different colour then to the back of the picture..? Why is there only footprints in the front darker dust and none in the back..? Try and find two footprints that actually match up as if someone was actually walking..? Why is the front facing lander leg visible when it's in shadow..? For example, you cannot see this side of the lander cup at the bottom because it's in shadow.
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 23:27:12 GMT -4
Where are the footprints in the forefront leading to and why do they just seem to disappear on the right hand side..? Why is it if we see footprints from an astronaut that we do not see any tire tracks from the rover, which weighs more then an astronaut..?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 19, 2005 23:32:45 GMT -4
Why are there no shadows from the rocks I have circled in yellow..? Follow the footprints in the forefront and see if you can match two up..?
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Post by Tanalia on Dec 3, 2005 3:59:08 GMT -4
Regaring the first photo, the footprint: This is a famous shot. Why are there two shadows in the footprint..? There is a shadow at the bottom and one at the top. The light is coming from the right, and slightly behind. the heel impression is obviously deep enough to make a shadow, the toe is also pressed in enough to make a shadow. There is a small shadow along the whole right side, but it's hard to press in the arch of the foot while relatively easy to rock back-and-forth to press in the toe and heel. This isn't just a random footprint, it was made by pressing straight down. The idea was to get a clear impression that could be studied by soil mechanics experts. Buzz stepped forward to make the footprint then back to photo it, so he was standing in (more or less) the "matching" print. Reference AS11-40-5877(Edit: reference link)
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Post by Tanalia on Dec 3, 2005 4:20:38 GMT -4
Regarding the second photo, the LM and jettison back, marked with a yellow dot: Take a close look at the shadow under the LM where I have placed a yellow dot. The light is coming from right to left, as evidenced by the shadow on the jettison bag. You can see the exhaust nozzle is the middle of the underside of the LM and the diameter of the LM is 13.8 feet. The LM descent module has an octagonal shape. Where is the shadow from the octagon descent module..? What has created the shadow where I have placed the yellow dot..? It's certainly not from the octagon descent module, as the light is coming from right to left. It most certainly is the shadow of the decent module, you are only seeing a small portion of it . Three sides of the octagonal shape are clearly visible; horizontal above the yellow dot, down below the decent nozzle, and then down to the lower left. The rest of the shadow is outside the frame of the photo; it would extend roughly twice the width of the photo further to the left. The sun is the primary source of light, but light bouncing off the lunar surface surface will act the same as a photographer's fill light, brightening the shadowed sides of objects. The bag and the words that receive this light scatter it in every direction and can be seen/photographed from pretty much any direction. Most of the LM was covered in reflective foil to control heat gain from the sunlight, so most of the light bouncing up from the surface reflects off the foil in one particular direction. Unless the viewer/camera happens to be close to that direction, it looks dark As explained, it receives some light reflected up from the lunar surface. In addition, some light could go through the bag, illuminating the nearer surface from the inside. Reference AS11-40-5864(Edit: reference link)
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Post by Tanalia on Dec 3, 2005 4:48:12 GMT -4
Regarding the third photo, Buzz Aldrin, aka "Man on the Moon": How is it possible for the inside leg of the astronaut to be lit up when the light is coming from the other direction, as evidenced by the astronauts shadow.? Why is the moon surface so brightly lit up to the right of the astronaut when it is not lit up in the near distance behind him..? Since when does the sun shine brighter in one spot and not another..? The lighting on this photo is well covered here. Basically, Buzz is lit by light reflected up from the lunar surface. Note, this is a poor reproduction, the colors have been brightened considerably from the original. Another problem with this photo is that it is cropped fairly close around Buzz. In the original, there are several footprints just off the left of what you can see here. Reference AS11-40-5903(Edit: reference link)
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Post by Tanalia on Dec 3, 2005 6:52:03 GMT -4
Regarding the fifth photo, shadow angles: How is it possible to have two completely different shaow angles..? The horizontal yellow line is dishonest, at least in part due to the poor quality of the image. In the original it can be seen that it should slant up to the left. Of course, this is still different from the vertical of the astronaut's shadow, but that is simple -- ordinary perspective, the same effect that makes railroad tracks look like they meet off in the distance. Reference: AS17-136-20744(Edit: reference link)
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