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Post by JayUtah on Jan 26, 2006 18:28:51 GMT -4
Since the flag is wrinkled how can the be light on both sides of that bend/wringle on the stripes..?Are you assuming that all illumination is direct illumination? If so, why? First, nylon fabric transmits and scatters a portion of the incident light. I demonstrated this on television. Here is a further demonstration. www.clavius.org/glowflag.htmlSecond, illuminated portions of the flag will reflect light toward adjacent shaded portions in a diffuse manner. whatis creating the shadow on the flag pole..?The flag. The fact that it transmits/scatters a portion of light and reflects a further portion does not mean it can't occlude other objects.
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Post by nomuse on Jan 26, 2006 18:29:14 GMT -4
I know you just got back on line and are trying to catch up -- but could you type just a little more carefully please? I'm having trouble following what you are saying.
I am not sure what you are saying in regards to the two photographs of the flag above. They look to me like the same flag from two slightly different angles, lit from the left. In shape we are roughly looking at a "W" with the legs facing away from us...the area around the stars is fairly flat but bows towards us at the far right edge. I don't see any shadows that seem out of place.
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Post by Moon Man on Jan 26, 2006 18:29:21 GMT -4
Where are the footprints in the forefront leading to and why do they just seem to disappear on the right hand side..? Why is it if we see footprints from an astronaut that we do not see any tire tracks from the rover, which weighs more then an astronaut..? Notice the white cable on the dune buggy..? The same white cable as was buried by the flag in the previous picture I pointed out to you peeps..? Notice the back is below the top of his head..? compare it to any other pic..hahaha! notice his head is perfectly betwenn mountINS WHEN THISA PIC WAS TAKEN...HAHAHA! Blow upthis pic. Look at the cross hairs the camera produces which are directly on the lunar lander....haha.. the cross hairs are not correct..lol
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 26, 2006 18:29:45 GMT -4
Look at the anntena from the back pack. No attentana appears on the dune buggy shot posted and the pics are taken on the same mission...lol
It's a blade antenna. It is not equally visible from all angles.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 26, 2006 18:30:35 GMT -4
the cross hairs are not correct..lol
Specifically how are they incorrect?
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Post by Moon Man on Jan 26, 2006 18:30:56 GMT -4
Sorry, I am indeed speed typing. I will be back in a few days.
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Post by nomuse on Jan 26, 2006 18:32:56 GMT -4
Um....what? Are you saying that if you expand this image digitally, extrapolating new pixels, the new pixels will not meet your expectations?
I'd be surprised if they did.
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Post by Moon Man on Jan 26, 2006 18:34:29 GMT -4
Moon Man, This thread was created for you to present your case regarding the Apollo photographs, which you did. We where then to provide our refutations of your claims, which we did. It was my understanding we were then to follow with a discussion regarding the claims/refutations. Instead you returned to the forum after a two month hiatus, totally ignore all the previously posted refutations, and begin posting new claims. This is in violation of the grounds rules you agreed to abide by. Please stop posting new stuff and address the issues already on the table. Sorry. I will do so when I have time. I was just adding comments to my previously posted pics. I have to go right now. I will be back though. Nice to see you all again. Cheers!
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 26, 2006 18:35:14 GMT -4
I posted the amount of pics taken on each mission and they amount to one picture being taken every second or so.
That certainly doesn't hold for Apollo 11. 120 pictures in a little over two hours. If they had taken a picture "every second", as you claim, we'd have more than 7,000 lunar surface pictures from Apollo 11 alone. Where are all these extra pictures?
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 26, 2006 18:51:09 GMT -4
Bob, one of the pics I posted without a camera is from Apollo 17. Follow the transcript log and you will see them both taking pics at times...so where is his camera..? There was only one camera used during the Apollo 11 EVA. I think all the subsequent missions had two cameras, thus there are many photos showing astronauts with their chest mounted cameras. Moon Man just happened to pick photos from the mission that had just the one camera. Also note, the cameras could easily be removed. So even some of the latter missions may include pictures of astronauts without their cameras. Let me request once again that you give us the NASA photo number everytime yo post a picture. This would make things much easier.
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 26, 2006 19:03:24 GMT -4
Blow upthis pic. Look at the cross hairs the camera produces which are directly on the lunar lander....haha.. the cross hairs are not correct..lol What's wrong with it? It see a little bit of emulsion bleed but nothing unusual.
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Post by nomuse on Jan 26, 2006 19:13:06 GMT -4
Heh. No fair, Bob; you are supposed to use the compressed JPEG provided. I examined the JPEG and the cross-hairs are basically one pixel wide -- a few grey pixels bordering them. Unsurprisingly, that one-pixel band doesn't survive the JPEG algo's attempt to describe some of the LM's detailing; it vanishes almost completely where it crosses the structure.
I suppose there might be argument for some hanky-panky here. If we accept the crosshair vanishing based on the authenticity of what we see in the blow-up, we also have to accept that the LM was made of LEGO bricks.
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 26, 2006 19:18:56 GMT -4
The back pack is below is head. Compare that to any other pic,which are all above the astronaughs head. There is nothing wrong with the backpack. Below is a blow up of the astronaut on the rover (AS17-141-21513) and a famous photo of Buzz Aldrin (AS11-40-5875). I've flipped and rotated the Aldrin photo to get the angle of the backpack about the same in each image. The backpack placement on the astronauts' bodies is virtually identical. EDIT: What's deceiving you, Moon Man, is that when the astronauts are standing they are leaning slightly forward for balance. This is because the backpack offsets the center of gravity, so a forward lean is necessary to compensate. The astronaut sitting on the rover is inclined backwards -- just the opposite of most photos. This change in inclination changes the relative positions of the astronaut's head and backpack in relation to the horizontal. However, the positioning of the backpack in relation the astronaut’s body doesn't change.
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 26, 2006 19:47:21 GMT -4
This latest "evidence" from Moon Man sounds a lot like Jack White's style. Can anyone confirm White as the source of this stuff?
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Post by scooter on Jan 26, 2006 21:00:03 GMT -4
Sorry, I am indeed speed typing. I will be back in a few days. I'd like to report a hit and run...or something...
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