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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 14:38:23 GMT -4
Pu in any form is a major Toxicity hazard (I think it is the most toxic of all the elements)Not true. The major hazard from plutonium is respirated particles in a narrow size range around 10 microns, which can become lodged in the lungs and cause cancer. Plutonium outside your body has no toxic effects and is not readily absorbed through the skin. Of course, Pu-238 is radioactive (T1/2 = 87.7 y), but the alpha emissions are stopped by the skin. (Neutrons from spontaneous fission are another hazard, but brief exposures do not pose a significant risk.) Ingested (i.e., swallowed) plutonium is hazardous, but not nearly so much as many non-radioactive substances. In terms of ingested toxicity, it's bad to eat or drink, but pretty far down the list. thanks for that, I remembered that unreacted Pu particles from fissile material where V harmful to the Body outside of purely radiological issues, I assumed it was due to relative toxicity, never even thought in terms of particle size and respiration *strokes beard in a thoughtful contemplative way not a sarky BS way*
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 10:55:08 GMT -4
U-238 can undergo Beta Decay (1 neutron Emits an Electron (beta particle) and some neutrinos and becomes a Proton, mass stays the same(ish) but atomic number increases by 1)
So you could have 2 beta decays through Np and Pu then an Alpha decay back to 236U
Net result would be relative quantaties of 238Np 238Pu and I'm quite suprised to see 236U in relation to the decay times
(although I know that a dual beta decay from U238 is not the usual decay series, it has a half l,ife of some ridiculous amount of years 4,400,000,000 with an alpha and to beta decays to U234 for another 20000 halflife and then so on)
the chances are that these product are a remnant from the enrichment and fuel seperation process, Pu in any form is a major Toxicity hazard (I think it is the most toxic of all the elements)
236U is spontaneous fission (or near as damnit) which would also produce other decay products as well.
** Edit, Have found out that a Beta Decay of 238, will occur after interaction of neutrons within certain energy ranges, the neutron is captured then a neutron is rapidly re-emitted leaving (at a slightly lower energy level), Beta decay of the usually stable 238 nucleus occurs within 20s which then follows the decay series highlighted above through to spontaneous fission of U236,
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 9:32:53 GMT -4
I must say what a great idea it is to use radioactive waste as a weapon, there can't be any ill effects from such a thing. It's good clean U-258, and friends. Your riding a bit low to the ground there, are you sure you aren't smuggling in extra neutrons, like 20 say. 238U is also Natural Uranium, not specifically Waste products, Lead is also a common Nuclear Waste Product of Uranium, and so are many many other Elements and Isotopes, some are Stable and some are not.
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 9:27:16 GMT -4
It seems a good piece, and well sourced and indexed. Most of my aprehension for reading DU articles is that a lot of the time they seem to be a little bit hazy on facts or will stick to it quite well and then Slip in a super porky, then continue to use this to extrapolate data for the remainder of the article.
I would still definately leave nomuse list of hazards in the same order, it is mostly the heavy metal toxicity that is an issue. imagine the uproar if the DU AP rounds had been used against DU Laced Chobham armour or similar. it maybe that DU eventually gets discharged from the military the same manner as White phosporous,
A similar argument could also be raised for other materials Lead,copper, aluminium, Titanium ,Phenol Plastics, Fuel, Nitrogen waste etc, in the long term relative soil toxicity from Heavy metal poisoning specifically from DU, would be one of the lesser effects of any conflict, and cries for Genocide specifically for the use of DU would be like calling for Phenocide (? Word) to the manufacture of Fridges, and ignoring all other causes. Genocide I don't believe fits in this case, A claim for a clean up op maybe.
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Post by furi on Jul 6, 2007 1:26:44 GMT -4
are these the same claims at the mass amount of DU bombs in Iraq are and the middle east etc are being used for secret nookleary stuff
one thing I always though of depleted uranium, was that it was by definition opposite to enriched uranium, so is exactly the sort of material you don't want any where near your fission reaction because it hoovers up neutrons (unless you are using it as a tamper or shield). if you happen to know a way of getting DU into a usable fissile state without the aid of an enrichment process (rendering the material not DU) I would like to hear your theories (also excluding fast breeder reactors)
the reason I italicised bombs, is that DU as a weapon material is best used as a kinetic round DU APFSDS or Rapid fire cannon APC(or similar) dropping DU from aircraft to accelerate under gravity wouldn't really be utilising the material fully, I suppose with a decent terminal or accurate stabilisation you could use it in a kinetic fashion, but the velocities wouldn't exactly match muzzle velocities of a chally or aircraft cannon.
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Post by furi on Jun 13, 2007 11:32:33 GMT -4
You know what's really weird? I'm pretty sure the U.S. doesn't have any sort of national cricket team. But we have a national elephant polo team that was in the recent world championships. Surely there's some sort of conspiracy there. I was so amazed when I learned that Scotland, not only had an elephant polo team but had also won the 2005 world cup, That I actually splurted a mouthful of a fine porter over my friend that told me. I don't know which I found more bizarre Scotland had an elephant polo team There was an Elephant polo World cup Scotland's national team had won a international sporting event. (probably this one ;D, apologies to all sweaty socks on the forum)
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Post by furi on Jun 15, 2007 10:26:43 GMT -4
sorry CDC is a popular acronym on Beta for any Crudely Drawn *Phallus* either in Beta Meme format (Has to be Magenta and done in Paint) or any more stylised appearences.
It is quite common for betards to leave CDC themes in sending spreadsheets or code layouts or various other methods arranging beer mats in the pub Sand castles Spaghetti... Just a nice simple childish bafoonery.
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Post by furi on Jun 13, 2007 3:33:38 GMT -4
If you know any street French, you will be forced to agree that that is definitely not a picture of a "pipe". True but I think the posting of CDCs is against forum rules,
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Post by furi on Jun 12, 2007 15:45:22 GMT -4
I do not know the Badge man bit, I am guessing if I click the Link I would have to headbutt the wall a few times for it to make sense
I personally thought on presentaion of that picture that it was a background radiation map of Europe and environs
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Post by furi on Jun 12, 2007 15:35:02 GMT -4
was rene a CT?
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Post by furi on Jun 11, 2007 21:22:51 GMT -4
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Post by furi on Jun 11, 2007 20:11:07 GMT -4
very nice analysis phantom, I went by habit to the Ble spectrum, bu by logival dictate I should have subtracted BG and left a red differential given the colours in the picture. However Let me be the first to stat that I cannot honestly proclaim that to be a Boeing colour filtered differential amorphous blob ;D Seriously excellent work, any idea what the detector was. I remember some earlier digital ( ) Integrated controllers having a disproportianate RG response in the Central 20% (more of a central diamond shape really, will have to remember if this was a general trend or a specific manufacturer)
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Post by furi on Jun 11, 2007 17:07:12 GMT -4
wouldn't the constant accusation of a foreign national being a paid stooge of the US Govt. be both libelous to the person in question and also the representative electorate of the USA, (treasonous seems too strong)
you are by your constant accusations promoting an illusion that I somehow represent the US Govt, and also through reception of favours undetermined a member of an as yet undisclosed agency deliberately perverting the youth of the planet by misrepresented truths in the acceptance of the Apollo program, and that I am also committing this act of mental grooming whilst in receipt of all factual knowledge of a fake landing
Are you prepared to make an official accusation Rocky. that you have by proof of my posts and actions and represented on line persona on this board that I am an active Representative of a conspiracy... or are you just sucking your own male chicken and finding the taste not to your liking.
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Post by furi on Jun 11, 2007 10:09:56 GMT -4
] Wonderful idea about blind patriotism, fits in nicely that most of us aren't interested in discussing the political viewpoint and comments made by a depression Era Pre Second World War American. I'm In the UK, Views on US Imperialism started to go downhill, about the same time someone threw tea into the harbour. Just Falls Down for those of us that Have NOTHING in any way shape or form to do with the US. My Personal Politics would make most Britons Europeans and Americans, and Free Market Theorist, Curl into a corner, sooo how would my comments which where actually on the the physical properties and attributes of the picture and not on content be Apatriotic to a country I am not a patriot of, or being supportive of a political and economic system I am against, Just a thought Good grief. Any picture is going to be blurry when blown up as much as the one posted in reply #197. We have to look at the ones that are high-resolution such as this one. www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg[/quote]It had to be blown up, My visual acuity is not suffiecient to determine a 8x16 pixel area in any great depth at a 1280*1024 resolution, Blurry is the incorrect term, it is of Insufficient resolution to make any definate claims on geometry, as the size each pixel would represent is too great, Make a Plane out of Standard unit Height Lego and see how smooth the nose is I cant even make out any real surface detail on the pentagon (remember I am colourblind) to irrefutably state what this small group of pixels IS or ISN'T, it is irresponsible to state what it OBVIOUSLY is, you can however state that evidence does not that prove that it IS a 757, it is INCONCLUSIVE what the object is based on this evidence alone. So Far we have tried Logic and Reason, but I havent yet tried Homogenising a Plane Full of Passengers and spreading them around a populated office building along with calculated Fake Crash Debris during operational hours in readiness for this great event. I still haven't worked out why if you are going to fake crashing a plane into a building, why use a different type of plane, Your military plane and associated hardware would be more expensive. You stated earlier that it was to reduce damage. So instead of apparantley just Crashing one plane, They destroyed 2, and then made the damage appear as if they had just destroyed 1 Oh and Please Please Please read up on objectivity and think of it that just because you can see something in a picture and someone else can't does not determine them as unobjective or unqualified for example I am Sure many people see this poster very very diferently, If you happen to see anything that dissagrees with my opinion, measure your OBJECTIVITY by the same stick you measure others. store3.yimg.com/I/colorblindness-testing-poster_1789_149842
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Post by furi on Jun 10, 2007 17:35:32 GMT -4
Well it took me a while (a little under a minute) but I managed to find Uncompressed and nutzerd footage of the frame in question,
was able to terefore also metally subtract te background and the Grass image (please also note that the example you provide hasn't just been slightly enhanched, it has been massacred it has been put through horrendous compression routines)
However even on the riginal, there it a total of <200 pixels that change in that frame over a maximum area of 26*26 pixels (and I am being very generous there, 12*20 would be closer)
so given that this pointines is to measure a curve over what could be a maximum range of 8 steps, there is inconclusive proof to deny that this s or isn't what it is reported to be.
Incidently you failed to rvide t shot f the plane in cam from te second camera which again no solid conclusion can be drawn due to the resolution of the gatepost cam, but t would not appear to be a military configuration, too flat too long, unless of course t s an F111 r similar ;D
now t took me 45-60 seconds to find the orginal feeds and most of tat time was scrolling past the crappy lo res CT sites, why couldn't you have posted a link to them, BTW they are on the DoD site if you need them,
Now in future please post to non crappy sources or at east te highest quality sources available fr interretation, you might find all sorts of OTHER truths lurking within.
Dissapearing from this thread as I have better things to waste key depressions on, plus Rocks' inablity to post Hi res pics, basic grasps f Geometry or Real wrld physics as been now well noticed in other threads as well (did I need to put physics after real world... prob not)
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