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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 4:23:29 GMT -4
That would not be a reason to say because he had one before, he still has the same infection now, or a new one, a "new" UTI with perhaps an altogether new bug. A UTI, I repeat, typically would not cause a fever of 104. With that temp and given that situation, doctors would be thinking very broadly differential wise. Simple UTI would be low on the list. A more complex urinary tract infection would be viewed as much more likely given the fever grade. Because of the reported rigors, even bacteremia/sepicemia, and so forth and so on and on and on.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 4:10:28 GMT -4
I have not studied the radiation issue in any detail, but have the background necessary to come to some reasonable determination about the threat of exposure. I'll tell you what, over the next week or two I'll look into it and let you know what I think. You can do your thing with me, run me through your presentation, and I'll provide you with my best answers/responses. It will be a worthwhile activity for me as I am not familiar with the problem in any great detail. I have read much of the early stuff; van Allen's original paper and the early reports published in Nature and Science magazines.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 3:58:45 GMT -4
So there you go. Many things could cause the illness and one would begin to sort out which were more likely based on questions. There is no reason to jump all over a viral diagnosis initially. Once questions were asked a viral etiology may look more or less likely. More or less correct. Additionally, this need not be an infectious disease problem.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 3:48:21 GMT -4
Patrick Moore asks the question of the astronauts because he is aware that at the time of the eclipse, at the time of the solar corona photographing, stars were visible. He knows this and so that is why his question is relatively pointed. I believe he is an astronomer himself of some ability, though I am not entirely sure of that.
Armstrong says "at no time" with reference to seeing stars from the surface of the moon or from the light side of the moon when in orbit. With reference to the earlier experience of flying by the dark side of the moon for the first time, the time of the solar corona photographing, Armstrong said he did not recall which stars, which constellations that he did see, acknowledging that he saw stars and constellations as is very much in evidence per the transcript. Collins then says with reference to that same experience, the solar corona photographing, flying by the moon eclipsing the sun experience that he did "not recall seeing any", in reference to stars. This was a contradiction. Armstrong had just said he did not recall WHICH stars/constellations were seen. Collins did not recall seeing any.
It is important(I guess) to point out that there is generally no controversy with regard to what Collins was referring to . It is very much accepted in the official story community and the HB community that Collins is referring to stars visible at the time the astronauts flew by the eclipse and witnessed the solar corona. So I believe I am missing your point.
Collins is entitled to have not remembered seeing any stars. No one can fault him for that necessarily, though my making reference to the transcript was done to emphasize that at the time they photographed the corona, there were lots of stars that were visible, and as a matter of fact, Armstrong comments that it was the first time the constellations were seen. They had not been previously seen for reasons we have discussed at length already. By the way, I believe Collins was the photographer at that time, taking orders from the people back home as to how best to photograph the corona.
Armstrong says he did not recall the stars/constellations that he did see, that were evident, in that dramatic moment and then Collins goes on to add that he did not recall seeing any. He did not recall seeing any stars, any constellations. That is what the "any" refers to, stars. So perhaps he did not remember the details of that dramatic moment, but Armstrong did, at least as regards the stars. So when Collins says this, not recalling having seen any, he is indeed contradicting his commander.
I welcome other interpretations from forum members, but my impression in discussion with official story advocates over the years is that there is no ambiguity with regard to what Collins was referring to here. He is generally viewed as having made the statement that he did not remember seeing any stars when they viewed/photographed the solar corona.
You are welcome to your own take on this
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 3:23:01 GMT -4
Astronauts who are experienced aviators pretending to not see things they should, doctors not behaving as doctors typically do, principals in the Apollo story behaving out of character. I presume these people to be actors. This is my evidence. This is my take.
Apollo is theater. That is my opinion. I may be wrong. I understand my views are not conventional, but they have been honestly acquired, views based on my life experience. I look to no one else for explanations. Someone recently said those of us engaged in activity dealing with hoax issues simply repeat what the next guy says. Right or wrong, that claim cannot be made in my case. My views, my approach is unique. I know this. I know it strikes many as odd and lacking in substance. But tell me why the official postion is any more reasonable?
You have a rock that you say is authentic because it came from the moon. If that is not the case, you say then I should be able to tell you how to make one here on earth. You tell me to outline this process whereby a similar rock could be produced and I say I do not know how. this is knowledge I do not have. I have no expertise in this regard. You claim that because I do not know how to make such a rock, it then stands to reason your rock is indeed authentic and my position therefore becomes discredited, proven false. But in addition to the rock, you also have an astronaut. And this astronaut does not behave a an astronaut would be expected to behave. He is an astronaut that tells stories about not seeing things that we kniow he must be able to see given the circumstances. So I tell you, your claim does not strike me as valid because for your rock to be real, your astronaut must be real too, and he is not. If he were real then surely you could show me how you would make an astronaut that would not know how his eyes worked in the dark. Perhaps I do not know how to make your moon rock, but neither do you know how to make an honest aviator that denies his own physiology, something he hitherto understood very well. Matter of fact, once upon a time, his life depended on it.
So we are at a stand still. I understand this. Neither side can move. I cannot make your rock. You cannot make my astronaut. I also understand my approach to this is extremely unconventional. But in all honesty, I do believe my appoach to be sound and my views correct.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 2:41:14 GMT -4
Again, thoughtful, concise, excellent point(s) Tedward.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 2:38:34 GMT -4
How did they know it was a UTI? UTIs in a man of Haise age typically do not cause a fever of 104. If you ask any physician right now would a simple UTI cause a fever of 104 degrees in a man, otherwise healthy, they would all say "no". So is that the correct diagnosis? How did they arrive at that? It is a fairly specific diagnosis to make from so far away. I read in one reference that he was diagnosed with prostatitis. Would that be possible, such a diagnosis from earth, a diagnosis of prostatitis for a patient in space?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 2:33:33 GMT -4
Has nothing to do with AIDS apart from my mentioning sometimes doctors make educated guesses as regards to how best to deal with an unkown. The example I gave was of AIDS/HIV before it was recognized in its now distinct clinical and epidemiological sense. I wrote a bit more about HIV per se as another forum member challenged me and linked HIV awareness with my credibility. It is a bit strange, but I responded as best I could. Tedward
I have read the transcript you referenced again this evening. I have read that many times before, as well as other materials. Thank you for making it so easy to review.
There is an interesting comment made by Jim Lovell's wife in a deluxe version of the Ron Howard film, Apollo 13. She says Haise had a fever of 104 degress and Charles Berry "over reacted" to it. Or something of that nature. I would have to take a look and listen again.
Anyway, your points are good ones and well made. Thank you.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 2:19:46 GMT -4
That is an excellent point about the ISS. I have the kindle book with me and the hard bound book at home. I believe the latter is an original. I bought it from a used book store on line. I first saw the quote there, in the hard bound book, at least that is my recollection. So it will be interesting to see how the quote is different. I will report back tomorrow about that. Again, excellent point.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 2:11:46 GMT -4
Scooter. The lasers were ruby red, not necessarily visible.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:58:01 GMT -4
I have an ebook copy of "Moon Shot", and I have a hard bound original edition copy of "Moon Shot". They both have a Neil Armstrong introduction and both of my versions feature the quote given. I believe I am utterly confused. What exactly is the point here? I am to believe the books I have really do not have a Neil Armstrong introduction. I am lost.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:46:49 GMT -4
I am not sure what I am supposed to deal with. I'll just stick with the language of the astronauts, verbatim, "Stars' images, easily seen...." Fine with me.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:43:38 GMT -4
For scooter, They shot the lasers right away. There were reporters at Lick Observatory on 07/20/1969 ready to report the Eagle had been found, and found most precisely. But alas, it was not until August after trying many times each day for many days that they "found" Tranquility Base. What a drag to have been given that asignment as a journalist, go hang out at Lick Observatory and the thing never happened. Oh well.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:39:32 GMT -4
What does a norovirus have to do with any of this?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:34:55 GMT -4
I find it odd that Armstrong would so strongly endorse such a book just written on the fly by a writer without oversight. I would not put my name on such a book, endorsing it so strongly as Armstrong does, and I imagine former astronaut Armstrong would be a far more cautious individual than me when it comes to such matters.
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