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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:31:51 GMT -4
For Scooter, no one got any such memo. Armstrong's own Apollo 11 colleague Aldrin contradicted the original no stars line. In Aldrin's 2009 memoir "Magnificent Desolation", on page 8-9, Aldrin says there is no night in cislunar space. It is always day and one sees millions of stars.
So no, it is not unique, others contradicting Armstrong's original line.
So how about that contradiction? Back in 1969 the story was no stars in cislunar space, at least not until they got to the dark side of the moon and photographed the corona, but that was 4 days into the mission. Yet, now we read from Aldrin, there were millions of stars. What gives?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:13:08 GMT -4
Dehydration does not cause a urinary tract infection. The 2 problems may well be related in certain situations, but dehydration per say does not put bugs in one's bladder.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 1:11:58 GMT -4
ka9q. Space Adaptation Syndrome is not what Chaikin wrote in his highly regarded book, "A Man on the Moon". Based on the information Chaikin reviewed, he indicated the doctors thought it was viral gastroenteritis. Which source is correct? What did the doctors really know if anything? Why is there no consistent presentation of this problem, what happened, what was the cause , what was done? If they were so concerned about forward contaminatiion in the case of Apollo 11 and the other landing missions, how did Borman's illness impact NASA's views on what should be done in this regard? After the Borman episode, why even sterilize a cabin with regard to forward contamination concerns? Wouldn't that be futile?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:59:54 GMT -4
What about the reflectors? Why did they have so much trouble targeting the reflector that night/morning, 07/20/1969? They shot the lasers at the reflector right away. Why wasn't there a report, a reflection? Why did it take so long to locate Tranquility base? If they tracked the Eagle so well, why didn't they know precisely where the Eagle had landed on that eveing?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:51:36 GMT -4
kaq9, the diarrhea in the cabin was always a present tense issue for the astronauts. Assuming that did happen, the diarrhea episodes, then to some greater or lesser degree, potentially infected fecal contents were on everything for the balance of the trip. Regardless of what Borman did or did not say. Also, I will mention now, there would also be concern on the part of physicians for the possibility of the astronauts acquiring a serious pneumonia under these peculiar circumstances and an air filter would not be fully protective against this, especially early on, but also for the balance of the trip, perhaps to a lesser degree, assuming the filter was biologically effective.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:48:52 GMT -4
There were cases of HIV related problems well before 1980, though the disease was not labeled as such. By the way, that was the point I made in the thread, from an epidemiologic perspective, HIV disease looked more and more infection based as time went on and we acted accordingly, well before the responsible agent was identified as a retrovirus that was transmitted sexually, through blood transfusions, or by needle injection/IVDA.
When I was an intern in 1984, we took all kinds of precautions with patients having HIV disease that we do not employ now. Matter of fact, those precautions seem very silly now. Back then however, it did make sense.
This is way off topic, but since this was brought up by a forum member here who seems to feel my experience with this particular medical problem has something to do with my credibility, I offer the few lines above.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:37:12 GMT -4
Scooter, you are missing the context of the statement by Slayton and Shepard.
Slayton and Shepard are saying, look, all of these HB clowns don't know squat from squat. They keep asking where IN THE PHOTOS are the stars. Well, the stars were there, and the moonwalkers could easily see them. The stars were just not photographed for those reasons pointed out to all of us countless times before.
The quote is from a section in "Moon Shot" addressing hoax concerns. The part here in particular is intended to debunk the "there are no stars in the photos argument". It does so in part by saying, the stars were there. The astronauts, the moonwalkers, saw them easily.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:27:20 GMT -4
Nothing wrong. The interesting part of it, if one can call it that, is Shepard's and Slayton's stating here that stars' images were easily seen by moonwalkers. It contradicts Armstrong. They cannot both be correct. If Slayton and Shepard say stars' images were easily seen by moonwalkers, then when Patrick Moore asked Neil Armstrong about stars at the 1969 post Apollo 11 press conference and then again in a one on one BBC interview in 1970, Armstrong would have said, "yeah I saw some stars, Venus was bright. But you know Patrick, I was busy setting up all this equipment and so forth, I really could not have cared less". But he does not say that. In the BBC interview, he says the only visible objects in the lunar skay are the sun and the Earth, no planets, no stars, nothing else. If you have not checked out that video, youtube search "Neil Armstrong, Patrick Moore, BBC interview, 1970" and it will come right up. The star question is the first question posed and answered.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:18:41 GMT -4
Scooter, fair enough, but the point is, one would expect to see lots of stars. Certainly many astronomers do. They write about star visibility on the moon often times as a way to emphasize why it is that an atmosphere prevents us from seeing stars in the day. Check out "Lunar Science for Kids". The NASA scientists that run that web site say stars would be more easilty seen than on the earth, meaning on the earth at night.
No one was expecting Armstrong to go on and on about seeing this or that star, but the fact that he claims to have seen none at all, well for many people, that goes against their expectation.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 7, 2011 0:07:43 GMT -4
"Moon Shot" was authored by Deke Slayton and Alan Shepard. Coauthor was Jay Barbree. These individuals, the three of them are responsible for the book's contents, every word. As Jay Barbree did not walk on the moon, I would suggest that if he physically penned the following lines, it was based on what Alan Shepard told him as regards the details of Shepard's own moonwalking experience and of course Barbree's writing would be also dependent on details as provided by Deke Slayton given what Slayton had been told by the moonwalkers upon their return to Earth. Barbree himself did not walk on the moon, and I do not believe he was granted a license to make anything up.
Neil Armstrong wrote the introduction to this book and he strongly endorses all 3, Slayton, Shepard and Barbree.
The relevant quote is as follows. It comes from location 3594 on the Kindle ebook version. I have a paper copy, though do not have the book with me so cannot give you a page.
Per astronaut Shepard and Slayton, Head of Astronaut Selection;
" "Where were the stars?" the myth believers then asked. The cameras that NASA sent to the moon had to use short exposure times to take pictures of the bright lunar surface and the moonwalkers' white spacesuits. Stars' images, easily seen by the moonwalkers, were too faint and underexposed to be seen as they are in photographs taken from space shuttles and the International Space Station. "
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Post by fattydash on Jul 6, 2011 23:27:31 GMT -4
Is there a reasonable explanation for the contradiction, Armstrong saying no stars were visible, Slayton/Shepard saying they were easy to see?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 6, 2011 23:22:30 GMT -4
I have done HIV disease/AIDS work here in San Francisco since 1984. I am well known for my level of expertise with regard to the care of patients with HIV disease. I received a commendation form the mayor's office once upon a time back in 1994 for my work in this field.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 6, 2011 23:19:49 GMT -4
They did bring a thermometer. It would to be honest have appeared all the more fake to me if they did not have one.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 6, 2011 23:18:07 GMT -4
For Bob B.
Why is it that Armstrong said no stars, no planets, but on the other hand, Alan Shepard and Deke Slayton say in their book stars are easy to see from the surface of the moon? Of course Slayton was on the earth so presumably he was informed of this by his legion of space walkers. Why the contradiction Bob B.?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 6, 2011 23:05:01 GMT -4
For Count Zero.
Why is it that in their book "Moon Shot" Deke Slayton and Alan Shepard state clearly that it was easy for moonwalkers to see stars from the surface of the moon? The book had a coauthor as well.
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