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Post by Moon Man on Dec 19, 2006 23:27:58 GMT -4
Its not trolling. Usama lived in a cave and he's the only person on earth that knew the towers were going to collaspe.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 19, 2006 23:35:24 GMT -4
Isn't it also interesting that Usama pulled this off considering the buildings were built to withstand the impact and fire of a 707. These were 767 but had under 60 people on board so the fuel tanks were not full. They had less than that of a 707. They even flew around for a while and burned some fuel off. In fact, the second plane flew around longer than the first plane. It had less fuel in it yet it had a bigger explosion. Go figure. Most of the fuel exploded outside of the tower yet that tower fell first, and with 45 minutes. Amazing.
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Post by frenat on Dec 19, 2006 23:42:46 GMT -4
The first hit was caught on video by the firefighters. You can see it has no wings. Only in the one video that is extremely low resolution because it is not optically zoomed in does it kind of look like there is one wing missing. This is due to it being a fast moving object, that is not in focus, and that is not zoomed in on so it only takes up a few pixels. Hardly definitive.
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Post by frenat on Dec 19, 2006 23:47:56 GMT -4
Isn't it also interesting that Usama pulled this off considering the planes were built to withstand the impact and fire of a 707. These were 767 but had under 60 people on board so the fuel tanks were not full. They had less than that of a 707. They even flew around for a while and burned some fuel off. In fact, the second plane flew around longer than the first plane. It had less fuel in it yet it had a bigger explosion. Go figure. Most of the fuel exploded outside of the tower yet that tower fell first, and with 45 minutes. Amazing. They were not built to withstand the impact of a jet at high speed. It was envisioned that the only way a jet would collide would be they were lost and trying to land thus they would be at a much slower speed. The higher speed caused much more damage as it had at least 4 times the kinetic energy. It also likely knocked off much of the fireproofing and disabled the sprinkler system. Had the fireproofing not been dislodged, the buidlings would likely have survived. The second plane had what looked like a bigger explosion because much of the explosion was outside of the building because it hit the building off center. It also hit the building lower than the first plane. Hitting it lower meant there was much more mass above the impact area than in the other tower. It is not surprising at all that it fell first.
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Post by Tanalia on Dec 20, 2006 0:32:19 GMT -4
Its not trolling. Usama lived in a cave and he's the only person on earth that knew the towers were going to collaspe. Knew they were going to collapse? Very unlikely. The goal was death and destruction -- a couple thousand lives and a couple dozen floors burnt out by fires was the probable goal.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Dec 20, 2006 0:51:52 GMT -4
Insulting people or trying to stir up anger is trolling by my definition... and my definition is the one that will get you banned. Actually, in one of his videos he said he was surprised that the towers collapsed completely.
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Post by lenbrazil on Dec 20, 2006 9:10:31 GMT -4
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Post by lenbrazil on Dec 20, 2006 9:25:47 GMT -4
Isn't it also interesting that Usama pulled this off considering the buildings were built to withstand the impact and fire of a 707. These were 767 but had under 60 people on board so the fuel tanks were not full. They had less than that of a 707. They even flew around for a while and burned some fuel off. In fact, the second plane flew around longer than the first plane. It had less fuel in it yet it had a bigger explosion. Go figure. Most of the fuel exploded outside of the tower yet that tower fell first, and with 45 minutes. Amazing. Leslie Robertson said he calculated for a "low-flying, slow-flying 707" on approach (which would be 180 mph) and "What we didn't look at is what happens to all that fuel. And perhaps we could be faulted for that, for not doing so. But for whatever reason we didn't look at that question of what would happen to the fuel." www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/filmmore/pt.html . see also www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/011119fa_FACT Flight 11 was flew for 47 minutes before crashing (7:59 - 8:46) flight 175 for 49 minutes (8:14 - 9:03) an insignificant difference. The reasons for the 2nd tower falling 1st were discussed in the NIST report which you obviously never read, it is believed that building suffered more damage because the rectangular core was close to the perimeter wall than in 1 WTC. 2 WTC also had thinner fire prooofing Any more misconceptions?
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Post by lenbrazil on Dec 20, 2006 9:29:55 GMT -4
The first hit was caught on video by the firefighters. You can see an explosion happening on the top left side of the building when the impact was some 30-40 floors blow..Ha! ! It crashed into the 94 - 98th floors of a 110 story building! Please provide evidence of this so called explosion
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Post by gillianren on Dec 20, 2006 15:25:41 GMT -4
Actually, in one of his videos he said he was surprised that the towers collapsed completely. I was going to point this out as well. Besides, Moon Man, do you expect a fugitive to be living in a condo?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 16:13:27 GMT -4
Any more misconceptions?
How about this one:
Usama lived in a cave
Again, not true. Prior, during and for a short time after the attacks, Bin Laden lived in his home in Kabul. He and his fighters only relocated to the use of caves as bunkers after the US determined they would attack, and all in all it's not a bad strategy. Rig up a generator, you have power, most caves have fresh water, and you can stock up food and other supplies easy enough. Heck the western world builds their own caves for use during a war, what do you think places like Cheyenne Mountain are if not a cave? Sure a very well outfited and man made one, but still a cave.
I'm actually wondering though. How can one person get so much wrong? I would have thought it was impossible to post entirely inaccurate information all the time, I mean just by the odds, if you post frequently you should get something right, but don't think I have seen Moon Man do that yet.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 16:52:22 GMT -4
Of course it's not true. But that's the lies Bush sold America, and I too question how one country could get so much so wrong.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 16:53:31 GMT -4
Ha! So that's why the firemen rushed up the towers eh, because they knew it was going to collaspe.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 16:56:55 GMT -4
Isn't it also interesting that Usama pulled this off considering the planes were built to withstand the impact and fire of a 707. These were 767 but had under 60 people on board so the fuel tanks were not full. They had less than that of a 707. They even flew around for a while and burned some fuel off. In fact, the second plane flew around longer than the first plane. It had less fuel in it yet it had a bigger explosion. Go figure. Most of the fuel exploded outside of the tower yet that tower fell first, and with 45 minutes. Amazing. They were not built to withstand the impact of a jet at high speed. It was envisioned that the only way a jet would collide would be they were lost and trying to land thus they would be at a much slower speed. The higher speed caused much more damage as it had at least 4 times the kinetic energy. It also likely knocked off much of the fireproofing and disabled the sprinkler system. Had the fireproofing not been dislodged, the buidlings would likely have survived. The second plane had what looked like a bigger explosion because much of the explosion was outside of the building because it hit the building off center. It also hit the building lower than the first plane. Hitting it lower meant there was much more mass above the impact area than in the other tower. It is not surprising at all that it fell first. Care to explain how the part that was falling over upon the beginning of the collaspe manged to right itself and totally collapse itself before hitting the ground and despite no weight bearing down on that section..? Ha!
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 16:59:14 GMT -4
Isn't it also interesting that Usama pulled this off considering the buildings were built to withstand the impact and fire of a 707. These were 767 but had under 60 people on board so the fuel tanks were not full. They had less than that of a 707. They even flew around for a while and burned some fuel off. In fact, the second plane flew around longer than the first plane. It had less fuel in it yet it had a bigger explosion. Go figure. Most of the fuel exploded outside of the tower yet that tower fell first, and with 45 minutes. Amazing. Leslie Robertson said he calculated for a "low-flying, slow-flying 707" on approach (which would be 180 mph) and "What we didn't look at is what happens to all that fuel. And perhaps we could be faulted for that, for not doing so. But for whatever reason we didn't look at that question of what would happen to the fuel." www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/filmmore/pt.html . see also www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/011119fa_FACT Flight 11 was flew for 47 minutes before crashing (7:59 - 8:46) flight 175 for 49 minutes (8:14 - 9:03) an insignificant difference. The reasons for the 2nd tower falling 1st were discussed in the NIST report which you obviously never read, it is believed that building suffered more damage because the rectangular core was close to the perimeter wall than in 1 WTC. 2 WTC also had thinner fire prooofing Any more misconceptions? Don't forget all the fuel that was burnt off during taxi-ing on the runway. What are the chances that the second hit would occur at 9:03 am, the exact time of the Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City..?
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