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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 22:04:14 GMT -4
Sorry, but could you explain this please? What's a transist?A spelling mistake. A transit.
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lenbrazil
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Post by lenbrazil on Dec 20, 2006 23:18:29 GMT -4
I assume that was an attempt at humor, the problem is you say so much ridiculous crap the irony is lost. But perhaps I’m giving you too much credit. According to most sources the OKC bombing happened at 9:02 central time (which would have been 10:02 am in NYC) though some say it was 9:03. So you think for some unexplained reason they timed to happen almost at the same time as OKC? Coincidences do happen what are the chances that the 2nd and 3rd presidents of the US would die on the exact same day? But Jefferson died a few hours before Adams and it was July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence no less. See what I was saying about you spouting ridiculous crap? Where exactly did I or anyone else say the firemen knew the towers were going to collapse? You said no one knew the towers would collapse I gave examples of people who did. Get back to us after you’ve read the Barzant and Zhou paper or the NIST report Now you say “of course it's not true” but you’re the one claimed it was so. It’s not one of “the lies Bush sold America” (though he sold quite a few of those) it’s the “truthers” who push the whole “Arabs in a cave” myth. Get back to us when you have evidence to back that claim It was meant to be more of a command center. There you go again with your nonsense. How could have left it if he never entered. Perhaps a good reason for not entering the building was that it was evacuated after flight 175 hit 2 WTC www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a903#a903 , and the OEM was evacuated around 9:34. Funny you make all sorts of claims and almost never offer evidence. When you provide links they contradict you more than they back you up. IIRC the fire is believed to have been started by falling debris from1 WTC and started around 10 AM You’ve got your burden of proof backwards This issue was extensively discussed on the other thread, I don’t know about anyone else but I won’t waste my time going over it again.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 23:47:41 GMT -4
What evidence do you have that it was real..?
You are the one calling it fake, I want to know based on what.
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Post by scooter on Dec 23, 2006 2:15:11 GMT -4
The President doesn't micromanage the military...that's what the Generals are for He went to an AFB after leaving FL. Do you know where, and what he did there? The top of WTC2 did keep rotating after tilting in the initial collapse. It is clear in a full out video. What is the fuel consumption figures for a 767 during taxi? I have them right here, let's compare numbers. May as well include climb to FL310 figures as well...I'm waiting. What are the differences between a 707 and a 767? Hoping your aircraft knowledge is a whole lot better than your knowledge of anything spaceflight related...
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 23, 2006 10:04:18 GMT -4
Hoping your aircraft knowledge is a whole lot better than your knowledge of anything spaceflight related... Given how related the two fields are, I doubt we'll see anything extraordinary. He hasn't shown knowledge of basic science either.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 23, 2006 20:59:33 GMT -4
The President doesn't micromanage the military...that's what the Generals are for He went to an AFB after leaving FL. Do you know where, and what he did there? The top of WTC2 did keep rotating after tilting in the initial collapse. It is clear in a full out video. What is the fuel consumption figures for a 767 during taxi? I have them right here, let's compare numbers. May as well include climb to FL310 figures as well...I'm waiting. What are the differences between a 707 and a 767? Hoping your aircraft knowledge is a whole lot better than your knowledge of anything spaceflight related... The top of WTC2 kept rotating after tilting in the initial collapse. yeah so. explain how it managed to collapse before the building fell even 10 stories and with no weight bearing down on it..?
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 28, 2006 12:49:50 GMT -4
Why don't you ask Bob, Moon Man?
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 29, 2006 22:26:49 GMT -4
Come on. The floors were made of steel girders and concrete. Each floor was 10 feet high. As each floor allegedly fell they collasped 10 feet before hitting the next floor. Concrete hardens as it ages. The towers were building in the early 70s.
Drop some concrete from 20-40 stories up and see if it disintegrates like the towers did.. Ha!
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Post by frenat on Dec 30, 2006 0:58:03 GMT -4
Concrete only hardens until it cures. After that it actually gets a little weaker with age. I have taken out a concrete sidewalk with a sledgehammer. The parts that were only a few years old would not break easily. The parts that were 10-15 years old crumbled with light hits.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 30, 2006 1:17:52 GMT -4
The floors were made of steel girders and concrete.
Buzt. Wrong. They were made from steel TRUSSES with a light concrete overlay, not girders. Trusses are far lighter for the same strength, which was needed, but are vulnerable to fire as any weakened point can comprimise the entire structure of the truss.
Concrete hardens as it ages.
Not entirely correct. Yes it does get stronger as it cures, but this only takes a year or so max, after that the cementing becomes more fragile and breaks up causing old concrete to become quite brittle and easy to break. Some 20-30 year old light concreates you can actually break with your hands it becomes so fragile.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 30, 2006 23:00:53 GMT -4
Each floor was 4 inches thick of concrete.
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Post by lenbrazil on Dec 30, 2006 23:31:14 GMT -4
Each floor was 4 inches thick of concrete. Yes, and your point is? MM your confused we're debating the concrete issue on the other thread
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Post by echnaton on Dec 31, 2006 18:11:21 GMT -4
Each floor was 4 inches thick of concrete. So was the last sidewalk I busted out with a sledge.
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