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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:00:29 GMT -4
The first hit was caught on video by the firefighters. You can see an explosion happening on the top left side of the building when the impact was some 30-40 floors blow..Ha! ! It crashed into the 94 - 98th floors of a 110 story building! Please provide evidence of this so called explosion I'll have to go find the pic when I have time.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:01:51 GMT -4
Actually, in one of his videos he said he was surprised that the towers collapsed completely. I was going to point this out as well. Besides, Moon Man, do you expect a fugitive to be living in a condo? G. The Usama video is a hoax, just like all of 911. The government has many videos of what hit the Pentagon but they won't release them because it wasn't a plane to hit the building.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 17:08:04 GMT -4
Ha! So that's why the firemen rushed up the towers eh, because they knew it was going to collaspe
The firemen knew WTC 7 was going to collapse, that is why they were pulled back from fighting the fires in it and no one was allowed to go near it after about 2pm.
However, Captain Jay Jonas, who along with a number of his team survived the collapse of WTC 1, realised that WTC 1 was going to fall after WTC 2 did, and he was pulling his team out at the time it did so, hence why they were trapped in the stairwell, so again, the idea that no one knew they would collapse is wrong. Numerous people knew 7 was doomed from ther damage, fire and structual warping they saw, at least one person, Mark Loizeaux, knew they would collapse after being hit, and he couldn't get through to anyone to warn them even though he tried. The problem was that firefighters aren't engineers or inimately familiar with building collapses, so they went in to do their job, fight any fire and rescue people they found, though I'm sure most of them would have gone in even if they had known.
Oh, and by the way, one of the occupants in the upper floors of WTC 2 was on the phone to 911 at the time of its collapse, the call was recorded. The sheer terror in his scream as the building goes, followed by the deathly silence as the line goes dead, is bone chilling, and yet there is not any sound of explosions, funny that.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 17:08:51 GMT -4
The Usama video is a hoax, just like all of 911
Which video?
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:19:06 GMT -4
Ha! So that's why the firemen rushed up the towers eh, because they knew it was going to collaspeThe firemen knew WTC 7 was going to collapse, that is why they were pulled back from fighting the fires in it and no one was allowed to go near it after about 2pm. However, Captain Jay Jonas, who along with a number of his team survived the collapse of WTC 1, realised that WTC 1 was going to fall after WTC 2 did, and he was pulling his team out at the time it did so, hence why they were trapped in the stairwell, so again, the idea that no one knew they would collapse is wrong. Numerous people knew 7 was doomed from ther damage, fire and structual warping they saw, at least one person, Mark Loizeaux, knew they would collapse after being hit, and he couldn't get through to anyone to warn them even though he tried. The problem was that firefighters aren't engineers or inimately familiar with building collapses, so they went in to do their job, fight any fire and rescue people they found, though I'm sure most of them would have gone in even if they had known. Oh, and by the way, one of the occupants in the upper floors of WTC 2 was on the phone to 911 at the time of its collapse, the call was recorded. The sheer terror in his scream as the building goes, followed by the deathly silence as the line goes dead, is bone chilling, and yet there is not any sound of explosions, funny that. Come on. How did they know WTC 7 was going to collaspe. This was the first time steel buildings collapsed, and three collaspes in one day. Ha! WTC7 consisted of a safe house for the mayor during a emergency. The mayor never entered it. How come..? Instead he left the building. It's not believable. It's not believable the secret service would leave the president sitting in a school after America declared that it was under attack. Its not believable that the dude who told the prez about the second attack would not wait for instructions; instead he tells him America is under attack and walks away, and then continues to stand around. Ha!
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:20:15 GMT -4
The Usama video is a hoax, just like all of 911Which video? The one where they claim he was taking credit for 911. The one that was found in A-Stan.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 17:47:27 GMT -4
How did they know WTC 7 was going to collaspe.
Because it had a gapping big 20 story hople in the south side, major fires on at least 6 floors, was creaking and shuddering while the crews were inside it early on, the southwest corner from the 19th floor had been completly ripped off and the wall on one side was bowing out so far they were able to use a transist to measure the increase in the bow over time.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2006 17:47:53 GMT -4
The one where they claim he was taking credit for 911. The one that was found in A-Stan.
What evidence do you have it was fake?
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Post by Jason on Dec 20, 2006 17:49:46 GMT -4
I find it perfectly believable that when something extremely horrible and previously almost unimaginable has occured that the President might not immediately react in what appears in hindsight to be the best way.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:56:33 GMT -4
How did they know WTC 7 was going to collaspe.Because it had a gapping big 20 story hople in the south side, major fires on at least 6 floors, was creaking and shuddering while the crews were inside it early on, the southwest corner from the 19th floor had been completly ripped off and the wall on one side was bowing out so far they were able to use a transist to measure the increase in the bow over time. How did the fire start? At what time did the fire start? Provide prooof of your claim, with pictures, not just staterments from some US offical.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:56:58 GMT -4
The one where they claim he was taking credit for 911. The one that was found in A-Stan.What evidence do you have it was fake? What evidence do you have that it was real..?
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 17:58:36 GMT -4
I find it perfectly believable that when something extremely horrible and previously almost unimaginable has occured that the President might not immediately react in what appears in hindsight to be the best way. Not a chance. The secret Service would never leave him there. They even admitted he was a target yet they flew out of Flordia minutes later without any escort. Ha! Bushh was the bravest man that day, he returned to the white house despite the threat on him. Ha! He knew there was no threat because it was an inside job.
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Post by Jason on Dec 20, 2006 18:17:19 GMT -4
Once they were aware that it was a terrorist attack (after the second plane hit) they did move him out of there, and onto Air Force One. Air Force One (once in the air) is relatively safe from hijacked airliners.
The President did not immediately return to the White House - he stayed in the air on Air Force One for some time after the strikes.
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Post by PeterB on Dec 20, 2006 20:23:21 GMT -4
PhantomWolf said:
Sorry, but could you explain this please? What's a transist?
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 20, 2006 21:57:30 GMT -4
Once they were aware that it was a terrorist attack (after the second plane hit) they did move him out of there, and onto Air Force One. Air Force One (once in the air) is relatively safe from hijacked airliners. The President did not immediately return to the White House - he stayed in the air on Air Force One for some time after the strikes. After being told about the second hit Bush stayed there for over 20 minutes. He was shaking hands and smiling and taking pictures. There is vidoe out there if you look. It was over an hour before Air Force one left Florida and it did so without Military escort. This is not believable if th this was a real attack..
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