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Jan 17, 2009 9:32:39 GMT -4
Post by smlbstcbr on Jan 17, 2009 9:32:39 GMT -4
Jason Amnesty speaks to governments to apply human rights, including removing executon because it is a standard of human rights today.No, Israel and America are not the best defenders of human rights. You can speak about Switzerland and such countries of defending human rights, but never Israel or America who face reports from human rights activists for violating human rights. www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1564take a look on how much miserable Israel has made the Palestinians life , giving Hamas justifications to launch rockets. If you want peace you wouldn't act this way. Or Hamas made Palestinians lives miserable by using their territory as a base for terrorist attacks against Israel based on radical points of view and religion.
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Jan 17, 2009 12:44:57 GMT -4
Post by Ginnie on Jan 17, 2009 12:44:57 GMT -4
Lionking, you should be more discriminate where you get your news sources. The "World Socialist Web Site" ? Do you think its editorials could be a bit biased? I didn't know I lived in an imperialist state - according to wsws, anyway.
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Jan 17, 2009 13:56:17 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 17, 2009 13:56:17 GMT -4
Jason Amnesty speaks to governments to apply human rights, including removing executon because it is a standard of human rights today.No, Israel and America are not the best defenders of human rights. You can speak about Switzerland and such countries of defending human rights, but never Israel or America who face reports from human rights activists for violating human rights. www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1564take a look on how much miserable Israel has made the Palestinians life , giving Hamas justifications to launch rockets. If you want peace you wouldn't act this way. Or Hamas made Palestinians lives miserable by using their territory as a base for terrorist attacks against Israel based on radical points of view and religion. Hamas is aprt of making the Palestinians lives miserable, but te major cause is Israel, as you can see. 1205 deaths which 46% are women are children is caused by Israel , other than the 5000 and somethign injuries with which Israel used banned weapons like white phosphorus,..all this is caused by Israel directly and by Hamas indirectly.
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Jan 17, 2009 14:00:50 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 17, 2009 14:00:50 GMT -4
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Jan 17, 2009 16:13:29 GMT -4
Post by gillianren on Jan 17, 2009 16:13:29 GMT -4
You don't understand. It is torture, and I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is that the US doesn't call it torture. We go to great lengths, in fact, to claim that it isn't really torture, what we're doing.
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Jan 17, 2009 17:33:39 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 17, 2009 17:33:39 GMT -4
ah, now I got you.
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Jan 17, 2009 19:40:09 GMT -4
Post by smlbstcbr on Jan 17, 2009 19:40:09 GMT -4
Or Hamas made Palestinians lives miserable by using their territory as a base for terrorist attacks against Israel based on radical points of view and religion. Hamas is aprt of making the Palestinians lives miserable, but te major cause is Israel, as you can see. 1205 deaths which 46% are women are children is caused by Israel , other than the 5000 and somethign injuries with which Israel used banned weapons like white phosphorus,..all this is caused by Israel directly and by Hamas indirectly. Then none of them is the victim... only the common citizen that has nothing to do with politics, like Palestinians and Israelis.
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Gaza
Jan 18, 2009 16:46:20 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 18, 2009 16:46:20 GMT -4
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Jan 18, 2009 16:59:04 GMT -4
Post by echnaton on Jan 18, 2009 16:59:04 GMT -4
Let's hope it holds and Israel withdraws from Gaza.
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Jason
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Jan 19, 2009 2:25:27 GMT -4
Post by Jason on Jan 19, 2009 2:25:27 GMT -4
I don't consider "stress positions, prolonged isolation, stripping, and the use of dogs" to be torture. Not that I would consider them pleasant experiences, but I don't think they rise to the level of torture. To call these things torture is to confuse the issue. Torture is stuff like what Saddam Hussein's government did - rape rooms, beating people senseless, maimings, electrical shocks, etc. Or what Hamas authorized in their justice code - like crucifixion. Or what Jack Bauer tends to do on 24. The only US behavior I know of that I might classify as torture is waterboarding, and it was only done a total of three times before the Bush Administration agreed that it was torture and should not be permitted again (in 2006).
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Jan 19, 2009 2:37:33 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 19, 2009 2:37:33 GMT -4
I don't consider "stress positions, prolonged isolation, stripping, and the use of dogs" to be torture. Not that I would consider them pleasant experiences, but I don't think they rise to the level of torture. To call these things torture is to confuse the issue. Torture is stuff like what Saddam Hussein's government did - rape rooms, beating people senseless, maimings, electrical shocks, etc. Or what Hamas authorized in their justice code - like crucifixion. Or what Jack Bauer tends to do on 24. The only US behavior I know of that I might classify as torture is waterboarding, and it was only done a total of three times before the Bush Administration agreed that it was torture and should not be permitted again (in 2006). It is not wehat you consider, but what human rights consider as torture. Dogs that seem to want to eat you would terrorize you. Prolonged isolation drives you "half mad" and is very detrimental. Other than the images from Abou Ghraib prison.
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Jan 19, 2009 3:26:53 GMT -4
Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jan 19, 2009 3:26:53 GMT -4
I don't consider "stress positions, prolonged isolation, stripping, and the use of dogs" to be torture. Not that I would consider them pleasant experiences, but I don't think they rise to the level of torture. To call these things torture is to confuse the issue. Torture is stuff like what Saddam Hussein's government did - rape rooms, beating people senseless, maimings, electrical shocks, etc. Or what Hamas authorized in their justice code - like crucifixion. Or what Jack Bauer tends to do on 24. The only US behavior I know of that I might classify as torture is waterboarding, and it was only done a total of three times before the Bush Administration agreed that it was torture and should not be permitted again (in 2006). bolding added above. I had a discussion with someone. Okay, a counselling client. I told him that a particular infatuation he had with an ex-wife was "obsessive compulsive behavior, not love." He responded that " Jeffrey Daumer was obsessive, I'm not obsessive." Invalid comparison. Defining a thing as it's most extreme example does not invalidate the lower-end examples.
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Jan 19, 2009 3:34:26 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 19, 2009 3:34:26 GMT -4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiativeafter the meeting in Qatar, there is a meeting in Kuwait [supported by theaxis anti-Syria and Iran]. Many leaders are calling for reviving the Arab initiative after Me. Bashar called to consider it "killed by Israe" and after HA said they are against it. I hope the initiative gets applied and it is in short land in returns of peace that includes all the Arab countries. Let us hope they agree on something serious concerning it in Kuwait.
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Jan 19, 2009 3:44:08 GMT -4
Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jan 19, 2009 3:44:08 GMT -4
Palestinian High Power Rocketry hobbyists at a Club Launch. Wearing masks, because they don't have Tripoli numbers, and AK47's because Israel won't clear the range. Israel wouldn't have this much trouble if they hadn't used Ethnic Cleansing to gain Zion.
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Jan 19, 2009 6:23:34 GMT -4
Post by lionking on Jan 19, 2009 6:23:34 GMT -4
web.naharnet.com/default.aspyou can follow on the updates of the Arab conference in Kuwait. The media is saying the Saudi Arabia will say something important.
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