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Post by trevor on Feb 3, 2009 20:35:33 GMT -4
No worries RAF.
To be quite frank and a little idealistic I would like to see all elected governments be made accountable for what they did when they were in power. If they did good they get a gold star, if they were bad they get to sit in the naughty corner for a bit.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2009 12:55:05 GMT -4
I find it fascinating that those who were most vocal in excoriating John McCain for failing (they claim) in vetting his choice of vice-president are now scrambling to excuse the Obama administration for failing to find all the tax problems of his cabinet choices.
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Post by RAF on Feb 4, 2009 13:31:39 GMT -4
Jason..simple yes or no question...
Will you vote for Palin if she runs for President in 2012?
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Post by trevor on Feb 4, 2009 17:16:01 GMT -4
And I have another question..
Would you vote for a Republican regardless?
And another..
What is it that you dislike about Barak Obama? - that prevented you from voting for him.
Incidentally did anyone see the website that was up when the elections were running as a hypothetical on who the rest of the world would vote for if they could. Obama won with around 80% of the votes.
One more question to all of the Bush supporters..
Do you understand the rest of the world's animosity towards Bush?
None of these are meant to be leading questions, I'm just interested.
Sorry to hijack your post RAF
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Post by Ginnie on Feb 4, 2009 17:33:18 GMT -4
And I have another question.. Do you understand the rest of the world's animosity towards Bush? In Canada, Bush has a pretty lousy reputation. When our government made decisions not to be lap dogs and not automatically support his policies, his administration basically treated us like second class citizens. Even though we were a haven for all those aircraft in the air on 9/11, even though we went to Afghanistan and are still there - none of that mattered because we didn't help GW invade Iraq. I wonder if in the States in some places they renamed Canada Dry, Freedom Dry.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2009 17:55:57 GMT -4
When our government made decisions not to be lap dogs and not automatically support his policies, his administration basically treated us like second class citizens. What did you expect? You're CANADA. We always treat you like second-clas citizens, when we remember that you're there at all.
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Post by RAF on Feb 4, 2009 17:57:49 GMT -4
Sorry to hijack your post RAF Be my guest...I'm also curious as to the how's and why's of republican thought processes.
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Post by Jason on Feb 4, 2009 18:22:19 GMT -4
Would you vote for a Republican regardless? Not necessarily. I didn't vote for Bob Dole in the '96 election. Actually I wasn't registered for either party until this last year, when the Utah Republican party required us to register as a Republican if we wanted to vote in their primary (the Utah Democrats still allow anyone to vote in theirs, not that it matters all that much in a Presidential election in the reddist state in the union). It's not my fault that the Democrats continue to present Presidential candidates that make the Republicans look good by comparison. Certainly I wouldn't have voted for McCain if there had been a better option available. His liberal voting record, lack of executive experience, position on abortion, proposals to expand government power and spending, willingness to punish the rich, and most of all his apparent willingness to do the politically expedient thing, best exemplified by his relationship with Mr. Wright, his ex-spiritual advisor. Leading by the polls is one of the traits I most despised in former President Clinton as well, and the lack of that defect is one of the things I most admired in former President Bush (who couldn't care less about how popular he was if he was doing what he felt was right). Fortunately the office does seem to have sobered Obama at least a little, as evidenced by his current more cautious approaches to wiretapping, interrogation, Gitmo, and Iraq. I hope that trend continues. I'll admit that I also dislike how he was portrayed as The Anointed One that will SAVE us all with the power of CHANGE by most of the mainstream media, but that's merely annoying, not my reason for not agreeing with the guy. Why should we care who the world thinks should lead our country? Rabid anti-Americanism fueled by a liberal-leaning world media? Annoyance at a country that actually wants to take the threat of terrorism seriously? A readiness to judge the man entirely by his somewhat limited eloquence and Texas twang? Egregious double-standards? Someone will have to hijack his posts if they want to see a response from me.
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Post by RAF on Feb 4, 2009 19:15:21 GMT -4
Someone will have to hijack his posts if they want to see a response from me. You didn't respond to my question, so your post makes no sense. Do you really believe that I or anyone else here cares one way or the other? Get over yourself.
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Post by Ginnie on Feb 4, 2009 20:34:06 GMT -4
When our government made decisions not to be lap dogs and not automatically support his policies, his administration basically treated us like second class citizens. What did you expect? You're CANADA. We always treat you like second-clas citizens, when we remember that you're there at all. ..................................................................... I kind of see your point.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 4, 2009 23:37:05 GMT -4
Snort!
Dude, lay off the kool-aid for a while. Or switch flavors. That is the LEAST thoughtful reply possible. Did you actually type that or just paste it from somewhere else?
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Post by trevor on Feb 5, 2009 4:26:15 GMT -4
Yeh Jason, That sounded sooo paranoid man. He did put a smiley face at the end of it though. In regards to why should you care who the world thinks should lead your country, you obviously don't have to care but it's the fact that many people do regard the US as the world's leader and therefore they do care who runs the US. And the majority of those people (in the 10s of thousands I believe) felt they would be safer with Barak Obama. What the most powerful country in the world does effects the whole world. That's one reason why so many were against the Iraqi invasion. They did not want the hornett's nest wacked with a big stick when they were in danger of getting stung. Others were more concerned by the killing of innocents. There are many other reasons and many other US polices that scared people. And that's why George Dubbya, and by association the Republicans, was so unpopular because he created more fear in the world than terrorism for alot of people. And because he came across as a moron in the media he seemed all the more unstable and more dangerous.
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2009 12:04:51 GMT -4
Snort! Dude, lay off the kool-aid for a while. Or switch flavors. That is the LEAST thoughtful reply possible. Did you actually type that or just paste it from somewhere else? Somebody missed the smiley face. Did you think I was serious about Canada too?
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Post by Jason on Feb 5, 2009 12:17:04 GMT -4
In regards to why should you care who the world thinks should lead your country, you obviously don't have to care but it's the fact that many people do regard the US as the world's leader and therefore they do care who runs the US. And the majority of those people (in the 10s of thousands I believe) felt they would be safer with Barak Obama. It's understandable that they should care, with the U.S. being just about the only 500-pound gorilla around, but should that give them any say in who actually leads the U.S.? I think the clear answer is no. What the world thinks of us is in no way the most important criteria we should use when selecting a leader. It may not even be in the second tier of what we should consider. I can understand why people might fear the power the U.S. has, but I think those who fear it will be turned against them generally either don't really understand the American people or deserve to have it turned against them because they've made themselves our enemies. That's fear of the other raising its ugly head again. And I do feel the world media tends to treat the U.S. unfairly - playing up our few failures much more than our many successes. Bad news is what travels and what people pay atetntion to.
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Post by Ginnie on Feb 5, 2009 16:49:37 GMT -4
Snort! Dude, lay off the kool-aid for a while. Or switch flavors. That is the LEAST thoughtful reply possible. Did you actually type that or just paste it from somewhere else? Somebody missed the smiley face. Did you think I was serious about Canada too? ...well, yeah... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It seems like you're saying though in your last post that the American attitude toward other cultures and nations is basically "it's my way or the highway".
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