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Post by tomblvd on Nov 18, 2009 15:01:04 GMT -4
The 500-page report may -- and I emphasize the word "may" -- have had some damning info for the simple reason that the 58-page report was based almost exclusively on Baron's observations and experiences, the later report was more than that, it included information anonymously supplied to him by workers at the Cape. Al Holmburg testified to that affect, that Baron was compiling info based on phone calls from workers who supposedly leaked info to him but were too afraid to speak out themselves. Some might say that Baron remained a threat to North American Aviation's contract and the future of the space program itself. I'm keeping an open mind to all possibilities as I dig further. The point I was making was that he had already submitted that 500 page report to Congress when he testified. It makes abslolutely no sense at all to kill the man AFTER he makes all his information public.
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Post by tomblvd on Nov 18, 2009 14:37:32 GMT -4
So I wonder why...you would be inclined to even try and educated him further. One of the purposes of this board is to achieve a comprehensive record of moon hoax claims and the thorough discussion and rebuttal of those claims. The more of FM's questions that are answered, or shown to be meaningless, the further we are to that goal. No one can legitimately claim that FM has not been allowed his say in this discussion and we are happy to let the record of rebuttals stand to examination. Though sometimes difficult, patience with those unwittingly helping you toward your goals has its own reward. Having spent many hours beating my head against my monitor (anybody remember the early days and Clyde Lewis, ah, memories), I realize that any and all misstatement must be addressed. It just seems to me after 16 pages of saying the same thing to fm, it's time to label him a troll and move on. I must say though, that the graphics on this thread are great and will be an immense help debating the next "BUT the Van Allen Belts?!?!" poster that comes along. They really explain the issue well, fm's ignorance notwithstanding.
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Post by tomblvd on Nov 18, 2009 12:30:18 GMT -4
Not only do you guys not know, but I got a feeling many of you guys dont even want to know. Well I do want to know, and thats why I have been asking for a 3D diagram to give us a better picture of long it could take. And whatever the results, Ill thank the brave soul who puts it together I've read this thread from the start, and I congradulate those of you who have tried to educate this poster on the intricacies of Lunar Trajectories, the VABs and radiation. So I wonder why, after fm cut-and-pasted this (along with just about everything else he posted): "The strongest radiation particles of all are gamma particles. This is the most common type of radiation in space"
you would be inclined to even try and educated him further. That he posted that and didn't know the absolute, basic difference between particle and wave radiation should be enough to dismiss him as more than a troll, but an ignorant buffoon.
Now, that is not an ad hominem. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to him because he's an ignorant buffoon. I've proven he's just that by virtue of that single statement, akin to someone debating advanced mathematics saying 2+2=5.
fm, your google-fu isn't nearly good enough to cover up the fact you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. No matter how much you cut-and-paste, in how many different colors.
Bob, I look forward to your project, but I fear it won't help a bit.
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Post by tomblvd on Nov 18, 2009 11:32:41 GMT -4
I hope the first of the "curious and contradictory information" you address is the fact that if Baron was killed, why he was allowed to not only compile and write a 500 page report on the violations he saw, but also give a deposition to Congress, PRIOR to being killed.
That never made much sense to me.
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Post by tomblvd on Jul 16, 2009 15:04:37 GMT -4
That is the worst defence off the crater conspiracy I have heard as of yet lol, the harrier will throw up dust in a dusty sandy area it lands on also the dust it throws up has to contend with air pressure and a stronger gravity so not the best comparison .as for the Lander it is in a vacuum so the dust would travel a fair distance and not settle on or near the point of origin How much pressure would you need to create a crater with the LM engine on the moon?
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Post by tomblvd on Mar 18, 2009 20:58:01 GMT -4
fiveonit, do you have a link to that youtube discussion?
Thanks
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Post by tomblvd on Sept 20, 2008 21:25:16 GMT -4
What's more pathetic, 3rdrock's arguments, or the fact that he put so much effort into his cut-and-paste only to run away after posting?
After being completely eviscerated, you'd think he'd at least try and salvage some of his post.
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Post by tomblvd on Jan 25, 2007 17:56:19 GMT -4
David, people have asked very specific, very answerable questions of you in order to better address your initial question. In response you have only posted links to other websites. Are you incapable of independent thought? People here are trying to discuss your question and your evasion makes that discussion impossible.
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Post by tomblvd on Jan 22, 2007 17:31:59 GMT -4
Interestingly, david says this at around 12:30 (my time):
"I hardly have any time today."
He then spends two hours hanging around this thread to try and hijack it.
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Post by tomblvd on Jan 28, 2007 11:46:27 GMT -4
I'd like to propose a corollary to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law">Godwin's Law</a>.
Whenever a HB is reduced to invoking the "Von Braun was a Nazi" meme, the discussion is over, and they lose.
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Post by tomblvd on Jan 29, 2006 10:02:32 GMT -4
This has been an interesting thread into the mind of an HB. We see the dangers of going into a subject with deeply held preconceptions and biases. However, it also shows that this is something that is part of all of us. I read with interest this statement from another poster about Bush:
"(sorry for the political ad homenim, but for me it's an honest appriase of someone that has trouble tying their own shoelaces) "
I found it fascinating that someone could honestly come to that conclusion knowing that the man piloted a F102 Delta Dagger. (Not an easy plane to fly) And essentially shares much of the experience that the astronauts we are defending here have.
Now to be clear, I have no dog in this political fight, I am on the opposite political divide. (as an aside, I'm a doctor and one of Bush's greatest thorns in his side in Congress is a patient and was in on Friday) But I found it an interesting look into how we all sometimes let our biases get the better of us.
(edited to clarify some things)
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Post by tomblvd on Aug 15, 2005 17:56:15 GMT -4
[ I consider the director of the VLT, whom I quoted above, as well as the quotes from Dr. West and Dr. Darling, far more credible than Wikipedia, an "encyclopedia" of dubious reliabilty where information can be edited by anybody on the internet. Seeing as how you hold these gentlemen in such high esteem, can we assume that if they would vouch for the authenticity of the Apollo missions, you would rethink your position?
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